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Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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For the sake of an argument, there is some merit to diversity preference: if a disadvantaged candidate made as much progress agains the headwind as a regular candidate, it stands to reason they are more capable. Thoughts?

They can favor whoever they want. The issue is they claimed one thing (scholarships based on needs) and did another, (scholarships based on merit and gender).

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Not surprising. These are primarily businesses after all with billions of dollars of investments and brand value to maintain. You can’t expect them to give an education to just anyone off the street!

The skew discovered was in favor of two groups: 1. existing financial-background applicants 2. diversity candidates.

The former improves average post-graduation median salary, so it's good for the reputation. But I doubt the latter contributes in the same way.

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For the sake of an argument, there is some merit to diversity preference: if a disadvantaged candidate made as much progress agains the headwind as a regular candidate, it stands to reason they are more capable. Thoughts?

They can favor whoever they want. The issue is they claimed one thing (scholarships based on needs) and did another, (scholarships based on merit and gender).

It's a thoughtful comment about the article and deserves to be published as the top-level comment, but do you have anything to add about the comment that you are replying to?

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For the sake of an argument, there is some merit to diversity preference: if a disadvantaged candidate made as much progress agains the headwind as a regular candidate, it stands to reason they are more capable. Thoughts?

Lots of practices are ok, as long as you tell the truth about what you are doing. The issue here is that they were saying one thing and doing another.

A good question to ask, though, is why were they lying about it? What message were they trying to send by saying they did not give any merit based awards? What made them instead decide to do the opposite of what they said they were doing?

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Not surprising. These are primarily businesses after all with billions of dollars of investments and brand value to maintain. You can’t expect them to give an education to just anyone off the street!

The skew discovered was in favor of two groups: 1. existing financial-background applicants 2. diversity candidates. The former improves average post-graduation median salary, so it's good for the reputation. But I doubt the latter contributes in the same way.

But I doubt the latter contributes in the same way.

Not that quick. I'm familiar with a certain department in a certain party school in the Midwest. The faculty in that department is entirely white, with the exception of one Indian, who was hired long ago. There is no reason to believe that the applicant pool contains mostly white people or that the top applicant is invariable white - the job market in the Sciences has been LOUSY the last ten years!

But the department is all-white. You'd think it tells something about the atmosphere in that institution, and indeed it's frankly xenophobic.

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It is somewhat amusing that they give scholarships to people with financial industry background, who are the least in need, and who will receive the highest salaries on exit - and then claim that their scholarships are need based.

At least they are teaching their students the ethics they need to succeed in the financial industry.

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My daughter is applying for colleges. When a college says that they only offer need-based aid, what it means is that we can't afford it. Yet I've encouraged her to apply to a few of those colleges anyway, based on the assumption that they don't only offer need based aid.
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