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Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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(Disclosure: I work at Triplebyte and built this salary tool from our offers dataset.) I was surprised to learn that the median senior engineer earns only $36K more than the median junior engineer (base salary only). The gap does get wider on the right tail of the distribution: The 90th-percentile senior makes $47K more than the 90th-percentile junior. One possible explanation is that our data is dominated by startup…

Another possible explanation is that business just don't see much difference between junior work performance and senior work performance. I have 15 years of experience (both huge companies and own startups), but I keep wondering what if it's really the case: that there's simply no difference for company success? When I hire people myself, I only see value up until mid-seniority. From there what matters is just discip…

> that there's simply no difference for company success

I've found that organizational structure and politics become a limiting factor past a certain level of skill and experience.

That is, for one engineer to be obviously worth the price of three or four others, they'll need more responsibility and resources somehow.

In finance, the responsibility is easy to delegate: it's the size (actual money) of decisions they'll be making. In generic software, how do you do the same thing? All the code on X servers? Primary responsibility and merge privileges on Y repos? There are interesting experiments and answers in this space, but most shops aren't oriented to think that way.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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For what it's worth, a big company in NYC that we work with definitely pays contractors with lots of experience (10+ years) $1000 a day. That's closing in on a quarter of a million dollars a year and you probably won't even have to invert a binary tree whilst juggling martinis in your interview.

Not quite though, as you get zero benefits or job security with that- in the UK you’d need to knock off 4 weeks of vacation, a couple of weeks for additional training, maybe a week or 2 for sick leave, and then budget a month or so between contracts. Plus buy your own laptop, fund your own retirement fund/pension etc. Plus it can be harder to get credit if your contract can be terminated at any notice. And your next…

Don't need vacations, I will need to buy a personal laptop anyway and pensions are Ponzi schemes.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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Look at how little equity in startups engineers get. Don't settle for common stock, it's 95% of the time worthless. And if it isn't you should be a millionaire for your risk, definitely not less than RSU compensation at megacorp #3.

"Don't settle for common stock" Unless you're a C-level employee, you're not going to have the choice. And even then you're probably still not going to have a choice except in very rare cases (e.g. Uber's new CEO might have some decent protections). If you're "just" an employee, you're going to get laughed at if you demand anything besides common stock.

That's the point. Being "just" an employee is not a fair deal anymore.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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Is there any data on what the big companies (Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, ...) are starting software engineers at? Anecdotally, friends starting at Google out of school are getting base salary offers closer to the senior numbers here than the junior numbers.

Yes. Though maybe not from TripleByte. For context, salary at FAMG is in the range of 100-110K for a new grad. So its in the lower half of the "Junior" area, which would make sense. Total comp though puts you into the 80-90% Senior territory. For exact numbers, I believe Amazon starts people at 103K in Seattle, Microsoft at 107K in Seattle, and Facebook and Google both start at 110K in South SV. But the caveat is tha…

Are those stock you mentioned per year or total? So for google, 100k over 4 years is 25k per year?

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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Another possible explanation is that business just don't see much difference between junior work performance and senior work performance. I have 15 years of experience (both huge companies and own startups), but I keep wondering what if it's really the case: that there's simply no difference for company success? When I hire people myself, I only see value up until mid-seniority. From there what matters is just discip…

Could you expand on "hours candidate can really-work"?

Sure. By "really-work" I mean thinking of work and doing it, not just being at work.

I, personally, rarely can do really-work more than 4 hours a day -- only if task is very interesting and challenging. Then I can do it for 12 hours a day straight, but I stop myself if I work more than 6 hours, because I know I would burn out, happened a few times.

4 hours a day of really-work sounds not a lot, but my performance is pretty good comparing to my teammates. Never heard managers complain on my performance. The other 4 hours I spend on meetings/lunch/hacker news/socializing etc. So I would look for a candidate who can do it for at least 4 hours a day.

I heard rumors of people who can really-work for 8 hours a day (like John Carmack). Those people are called "100x engineers", I really want to work with some of them one day.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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My god this is just another universe to me. I've got 19 years on the clock doing stuff, right now extending the jenkins model to make a usable 2.0 pipeline, for a fortune 50 hiding on the new hampshire seacoast, senior-straddling-principal level and just barely squeaking out a 6 figure salary. I know it all comes out in the wash, but it just blows my mind how different money is across the country. or, i am a country…

The key is to work remotely for a SV company but live in a cheap small town (this is a humblebrag). Higher salary, no Valley real estate madness, no freeway nightmares, placid country bumpkin existence preserved. I do have to bite the bullet and travel down to that blighted land a few times a year though.

I would say work remotely for a company in an expensive place but live in a cheap small town. This has worked out very well for me and my family. All the companies I have worked for were remote-first etc so I never felt like a second class citizen.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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My god this is just another universe to me. I've got 19 years on the clock doing stuff, right now extending the jenkins model to make a usable 2.0 pipeline, for a fortune 50 hiding on the new hampshire seacoast, senior-straddling-principal level and just barely squeaking out a 6 figure salary. I know it all comes out in the wash, but it just blows my mind how different money is across the country. or, i am a country…

I encourage you to look for a job that pays you better. I promise, based on direct personal experience, that you do not need to work in SV to do a lot better than that with that amount of experience.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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take cost of living esp. housing into account?

if you are in a FAANG level company add another ~$100k for total comp (bonus, RSUs, ect). housing maybe high on the west coast; but not that high.

Yeah. Housing is high. Crazy high, especially in San Francisco itself.

But the pay far, far outweighs that factor.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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It really raises the question why anyone would put a software company in the Silicon Valley area. You could get cheaper and more experienced people pretty much anywhere in the world for at least 60 - 70% the price.

given that the biggest software companies of the last 20 years have mostly been in the Bay Area, maybe there's a flaw in your assumption that there are "more experienced people pretty much anywhere."

I think it says more about their top performers and business practices than the skills of the average developer employed by them.
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