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This person misses the entire point of the argument for Net Neutrality - Yes it can be convenient if you know ALL of the apps and or services you'd like to use, however the entire internet being visible means putting small companies you have not yet heard of on nearly equal footing - giving them the chance to compete against the giants of commerce and sometimes (yes, sometimes it happens) WIN! The beauty of the inter…

Why should the society pay for your dream to have a chance to be reality?

Startups with few heads have taken down companies that had employed hundreds gainfully for life, only to be folded into another behemoth with all the evil intentions. Whatsapp acquisition by Facebook where they decided to look into messages for profiling comes to mind. Countless examples of startups being open to being bought only to leave the customers hanging dry for options.

Do you agree to keep cost of shipping same no matter the size of your account (shipping one container vs. shipping thousands a month) so that some dreamer logistics graduate can compete? Would you pay to keep it fair? How about a pharma grad and keeping things equal against big pharma? Should you be taxed to pay for FDA approval process of every drug that a pharma student comes up with?

I am for Net Neutrality because doing otherwise turns paying customers into a product, and that goes against the contract. As an ISP customer, I am not willing to be made inaccessible by someone that I want to talk to, specifically when I am paying for that access.

At this point I am more concerned about Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Google's ability to discriminate against people, than Comcast/TimeWarner/Verizon/AT&T's ability to discriminate against my packets. The later is hypothetical, the former is an everyday reality.

Freedom of expression is more important than cost imposed on buying the paper to write your expressions on. Net Neutrality is fighting over ability to write what you want on the paper you bought without the paper manufacturer consenting to your writing. Doesn't happen with paper, doesn't happen with packets. But the ability to show your writing on the paper to other people, their ability to read what you have written is being undermined, tampered with without repercussions, daily, every second of the day by Facebook/Twitter/Google/Reddit.

Net Neutrality is not the fight of the day, the battle cry is Freedom of Expression, fight against censorship imposed by Facebook/Google/Twitter/Reddit/YouTube.

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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Why not? Why shouldn't the best usage of a limited resource be determined by who is willing to pay the most money? Does this extend to other industries? Should we force Fedex/UPS to ship at one speed only?

> force Fedex/UPS to ship at one speed only? Certainly not. But we should prevent them from charging 10x the rate for Netflix discs and giving free shipping to Blockbuster.

Why not? If Fedex wants to be stupid and charge Netflix exorbitant fees while giving stuff to Blockbuster for free why should we stop them?

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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Anyone on the NN bandwagon, who cheered Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/YouTube censorship of right-wing conservative content, is a hypocrite.

What if Comcast used deep packet inspection to keep you from seeing fake news? If google can offer that then so can Comcast. Let them compete.

I refuse to be co-opted by the same mega-corps who discriminate all they want for their political purpose. I want Comcast to show a 404 for a product announcement by Google for Youtube-TV, or add jitters into Facebook messenger whereby people stop using it. That would be similar to what Google/Facebook has done, and are doing every day to this day, to conservative content online.

If Google can kick out any Youtube video they don't like or hide it form the channel subscribers, then Comcast can kick out any packet they don't like from their wires.

If you don't consider censorship of content that is happening today as a higher priority problem than possible future messing with packets, then you don't have your priorities straight.

If you support online censorship by Google/Facebook/Twitter, then I would like nothing more than your NN dreams get shattered thousand times a second, or if you prefer at 1 Gbps.

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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From your own cite: >At download speeds of 3 megabits per second (Mbps), which is the Federal Communications Commission’s current approximate standard for basic broadband service, 98 percent of the population had a choice of at least two mobile ISPs and 88 percent had two or more fixed ISPs available to them. And you're doubling down on nonsense. There's no regional agreements not to compete and your quote isn't any…

> However, as multiple household members increasingly consume video streaming services music streaming, and online games, the adequate broadband speed bar has been raised. To understand just how slow 3 Mbps is, it takes about 2.25 hours to download a 6 gigabyte movie. The same movie would only take 16 minutes to download at 25 Mbps The FCC later increased their definition: https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/f…

Ok, I'm still not sure what your point is here. Even if we use a higher limit my statement that most Americans have at least two companies to choose from is accurate.

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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post #294

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> However, as multiple household members increasingly consume video streaming services music streaming, and online games, the adequate broadband speed bar has been raised. To understand just how slow 3 Mbps is, it takes about 2.25 hours to download a 6 gigabyte movie. The same movie would only take 16 minutes to download at 25 Mbps The FCC later increased their definition: https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/f…

Ok, I'm still not sure what your point is here. Even if we use a higher limit my statement that most Americans have at least two companies to choose from is accurate.

37% is not most, though. And the choice is still between two shitty companies, usually. Right now I have either Time Warner, I think Comcast (haven't checked but probably), and Google Fiber. That, to me, is still not ideal. As I said in my previous comment, the ideal would be two additional options for me: a smaller, regional-based ISP, and a municipal ISP. Prior to Google Fiber, there was no fiber at all here. I had to pay Time Warner $90 for 1/10th of what I get with Google right now.

Just two companies is not ideal because, as we have seen before, Comcast, Time Warner, AT&T, and Verizon don't compete enough to improve their infrastructure. We've seen that just Google Fiber alone is enough to get the current ISPs to drop their prices, improve speeds, and get Fiber going: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/googl...

But that's not enough. Google Fiber isn't ever going to spread enough to become widely available, and I think they stopped altogether, didn't they?

Maybe if Google Fiber was planning to roll out everywhere in the US, I'd be more okay with letting NN go but at this point, it's too risky IMO.

And I just want to make it clear that the ideal scenario is for competition to determine ISP policies and behavior, not legislation. But we're not getting competition any time soon, so I see legislation as a last resort.

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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anyone with common sense know that this is false... it would break the internet if ISPs would take advantage of the absence of a net neutrality requirement. I think that whoever passed this law gave the ISPs a pretty bad idea (not that the law is bad).

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I’m a weekly listener of Ben Thompson’s (the author) podcast, exponent, and it’s bizarre that he’s making this argument. Many of the last few episodes have made the point that over-burdensome regulation on Facebook would have the affect of harming small businesses’ abilities to advertise themselves along side large incumbents. It’s strange to see him make what appears to be the opposite argument here. Your point is w…

Just landed on the podcast's page: http://exponent.fm/ only to find the top page fold is a giant ad for wordpress.com What is up with that?

I've been following Ben Thompson for a few years. His comments are usually insightful on both his blog and podcast.

He has a different advertising model. He has one advertised at a time. His last advertiser MailChimp sponsored the podcast for an entire year.

He also has a decently popular paid email newsletter. The only time he spoke about the number of subscribers was about two years ago and he had a little over 2000 then paying $100 a night.

He's worked at Microsoft and Apple.

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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This person misses the entire point of the argument for Net Neutrality - Yes it can be convenient if you know ALL of the apps and or services you'd like to use, however the entire internet being visible means putting small companies you have not yet heard of on nearly equal footing - giving them the chance to compete against the giants of commerce and sometimes (yes, sometimes it happens) WIN! The beauty of the inter…

> If the rules Ajit Pai wants in place were to be in place when Amazon got started its likely Wal-Mart could have paid to simply make them disappear for most internet providers by "buying" the right to e-commerce traffic. Isn't this covered by anti-trust laws?

When Amazon first got started, Walmart wouldn't have had to buy ecommerce traffic - everyone back then was spending millions of dollars to appear on AOL and Yahoo.

Even now, the ISPs aren't the companies that businesses have to worry about. Most small internet based businesses are far more beholden to Facebook, Google, Amazon, or Apple for their livelihood.

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For the same reason most regulations are made: to increase the government's power while pretending to protect you, but in fact increasing your dependence of said government.

Couldn't something similar be said of companies? Companies what regulations repealed: to increase the company's power while pretending to protect you, but in fact increasing your dependence of said company. Why do you have more faith in companies than a government? Do you honestly believe that market forces can sway mega corporations?

Why do you have more faith in companies than a government

It seems like companies have been much more on the side of the angels than the government this past year.

They have been a much louder voice for equality and civil liberties.

Re: Ajit Pai is right

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>removing NN is like gifting the ISPs the chance to further reward themselves for maintaining their monopoly This is one of those things that seems to stick in the craw of some, as if when you "stick it to the man" you'll benefit some how. Notice how you used the word "force?" That is authoritarianism by definition. I think all technical people can agree that the goal is for our ISPs to behave in a way that conforms…

Yes, the government forces companies to do things. How awful. Here are some of the many awful things the government forces companies to do: - ADA - Non-discrimination - Antitrust - Health regulations How authoritarian! I'm glad that the spooky A-word is scaring you into letting ISPs continue their money-grubbing practices. I'm done with that business. I hope NN sticks around and their lobbying efforts go down the dra…

If that is the extent of your understanding of authoritarianism vs. liberty, that's your prerogative. I believe there is more nuance involved than your comment indicates. If your goal is to create more trump voters, you are off to a good start.
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