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Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by zaarn »

bad_user wrote: post #64

I'm a Romanian and I can confirm that posts and accounts have been blocked, probably because of being reported by the other side. On the other hand, folks, this is a little reminder that censorship is a doubly edged knife ;-) So next time you call for censoring "fake news", think again, because it's not you who will benefit from it. A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informin…

It kind of makes me hope that federated networks like Mastodon catch on more. Hugely popular in Japan for not to dissimilar reasons; US Companies not respecting foreign culture and country.

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Post by pmontra »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #129
CamelCaseName wrote: post #101

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>A citation would be nice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World >Also, what countries would be second-world with that definition? In present-day English, the Third World is "the developing countries of Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa".[1] Third world countries in Europe, Latin America, Asia, and Africa include Russia, Albania, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Dominican Republic, Cuba, South Africa, a…

Re-read my comment? I asked what countries would be SECOND-world with that definition.

The Second World used to be the communist block [1] but not necessarily meaning that it was worse off than the First one. Western Europe had many communist/socialist parties looking forward to implementing a socialist kind society. They were thinking about it as an improvement.

About the origin of those terms see [2].

The Second World term was seldom used in Europe even during the 70s as far as I can remember. There is no more second world now. We jump straight from first to third world. It feels sadly right if we agree that the gap is widening.

By the way, nobody in Europe would think Russia is a third world country. It's first world.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World

[2] http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries....

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by LoSboccacc »

bad_user wrote: post #64

I'm a Romanian and I can confirm that posts and accounts have been blocked, probably because of being reported by the other side. On the other hand, folks, this is a little reminder that censorship is a doubly edged knife ;-) So next time you call for censoring "fake news", think again, because it's not you who will benefit from it. A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informin…

> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

this has been known since a while, giving power to censor is giving out power to control the population thinking - it always come in the name of the greater good and it always get abused half generation later.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by simonh »

andrepd wrote: post #179
bad_user wrote: post #64

I'm a Romanian and I can confirm that posts and accounts have been blocked, probably because of being reported by the other side. On the other hand, folks, this is a little reminder that censorship is a doubly edged knife ;-) So next time you call for censoring "fake news", think again, because it's not you who will benefit from it. A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informin…

>A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informing and coordinating citizens to fight injustice. Now that I'm older and wiser, I can tell you that no evolution or revolution can happen because of Facebook, only regression. Facebook is poison. I'll add to that. The internet is a great tool for coordinating citizens, spreading information, and fighting injustice. Having facebook , o…

Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre.

So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now?

Facebook is far from perfect, I barely use it at all because it winds me up, but it’s a fantastic Communications platform. And of course they shouldn’t be interfering like this, but it looks like they’ve been manipulated by people flagging content rather than deliberately taking a political stance. I’m sorry but this anti capitalism whining, without offering even a hint of what you think might work better, really winds me up. It’s just populist posturing.

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Post by jgtrosh »

voltagex_ wrote: post #189
Raphmedia wrote: post #170

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> I think what many people don't know or understand, is that facebook is not the internet. Once, I had a debate online with someone. I linked them an external (non-facebook) link. Their reply was "sorry, my data-plan only covers Facebook". That to me is very scary. This means that a lot of people like that individual are getting their online content from Facebook's trending news and nothing else.

I wonder what plan that was - wasn't there a "free" Internet thing planned that'd only allow access to Facebook? Time to start tunnelling data.

My first mobile data plan had 200MB of data + unlimited Facebook usage. This was in France around 2011. It now seems weird with all the net neutrality talks (and vastly improved mobile data plans thanks to the push from Free), but it seemed pretty normal at the time.

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Post by taurath »

intended wrote: post #208
taurath wrote: post #197

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The internet just increases the amount of information flow - what one does with it reflects whatever their values are.

Right. Facebooks effective monopoly is an issue in and of itself- but that’s a separate issue. Humans online polarize themselves and split into sub groups. (Amazingly the sub groups can end up polarizing themselves.) Facebook has never dodged the issues forums has faced. The core issue is human behavior and nature.

Alternate perspective (not sure if I agree, just it’s possible) - humans were already polarized and split into sub groups. Now though it is far more apparent because people butt into each other all the time on the internet.

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Post by b0rsuk »

frandroid wrote: post #20

Facebook does this every day. For example, they regularly close Kurdish-related groups and pages at the behest of the Turkish government, and not just Turkish ones; recently there were Kurdish FB groups based in Canada closed as well.

But Kurds, despite having 30_000_000 - 46_000_000 population, don't have a country. And if they're not so organized (this may change in future) states feel okay to ignore them.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by b0rsuk »

If Facebook was really like a society, it would splinter into a number of communities based on common interests. It doesn't, because it's a farm controlled by Mark Zuckerberg. Farm animals rebel only in books. Facebook controls how and when users interact. Users have no power to cause any change in Facebook. A society of slaves that can't govern itself. Let me know when Facebook has elections.

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Post by Muromec »

AnkhMorporkian wrote: post #134
mtgx wrote: post #82

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> algorithm to detect reporting rings How the hell is this not a thing already at Facebook? Are you freaking serious, Facebook? And you want to impress us with your lame "AI"?! Reddit has had ring voting protection for years , and it only has 1/10 of Facebook's userbase. I sure hope Facebook isn't planning on developing a self-driving car software platform.

Why don't you think they have one? Let's take a second and think about how awful Facebook would be right now if they didn't have the protections they have in place already. Taking an isolated incident of community reporting taking down some posts and accounts doesn't show in any way that they don't have protections against bot rings. What if it's legitimate users who have a vendetta against the protesters? Obviously,…

That sure was the case in Ukraine during the was and it's going on on now with Saakashvili. Lots of people just tag everything as porno and user who posted this goes to ban.

When you are trying to appeal, it obviously goes to somebody who should know the language post was written and it happens to be some Russian, who also flags it.

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Post by gyaru »

jochung wrote: post #234
losteric wrote: post #214

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"Fake news" came into popular usage because Trump was using it to disparage critical real news. It's a dangerous phrase, trivially dismissing real news based on emotions and critically attacking propaganda based on facts. Just call things as they are. News, lies, propaganda...

Let's be honest: fake news was one the biggest own goals of the leftist American media. After breathlessly fellating Clinton non stop, they thought drawing attention to manufactured or biased information would not backfire. Because they still see themselves as the gatekeepers of informed and civilized society. Kind of like everything else they've done lately. Rape culture: turns out it's real after all... in ultra-le…

Leftism and Clinton in the same post is very amusing, America is weird.

I can't really think of anything about her that aligns with leftists politics.

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