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> Occupy and anti-Trump protestors should study and learn how that works. You see to have effective peaceful protests, there has to be a credible threat of extreme and overwhelming violence that will follow unless the government listens. Government should be afraid of the people. Please don't encourage violence. The anti-Trumpers aren't fighting corruption, they're fighting democracy and their fellow citizens. Note t…
But the threat of violence is what seems to work: https://www.vox.com/2015/4/30/8518681/protests-riots-work Many Americans like to whine about their gun rights because they need the guns to fight an oppressive government! But it seems the U.S. government has gotten away with quite a lot lately in terms of how corrupt they've become and the fact that so many Americans own guns doesn't seem to have deterred them too mu…
At least, that's a theory. It might turn into a bloodbath.
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Sure, hate the rich, it doesn't prove you have compassion for the poor. What you are stating as a threat is really the 'protection' of private property. Something that a poor person has access to as well, and in fact the utilization of such could allow them to come out of poverty. As far as your remarks on power, I hope you also understand it isn't a replacement for a hierarchy built on competence. Something that the…
> Something that a poor person has access to as well I doubt this. When the other side has orders of magnitude more money than you, you don't have access to protection by the legal system - this is the very reason why and how, for example, patent trolls stay in business. > and in fact the utilization of such could allow them to come out of poverty You're talking about trickle-down effect, I guess? That's been proven…
I was joking before and said that it is inevitable that Facebook, Google and Twitter will eventually sell SaaS (Silencing as a Service). But maybe it wasn't a joke after all... It is simply too tempting to not do it. They have information which the Stasis and KGBs of the past would kill for. One thing Romanian government should be careful with is not listening to protesters. That is at least one country where they ha…
> Please don't encourage violence. The 2017 protests were peaceful. The ones in 1989 were violent all over Eastern Europe with the exception of Czech Republic. The killing of Romania's late dictator and the mock trial was the doing of former secret police, who's corrupt offspring and relatives are the politicians in power today. They only took advantage of the protests to picture themselves as heroes and sieze power…
That's the point. Because the 1989 were violent, allowed for 2017 to be effective. Peaceful protests are easy, but peaceful and effective is hard.
> Anti Trump protesters that destroyed private property are just vandals who can't accept the outcome of a democratic election.
I can agree with that. They\ ones that came to DC burned a few trashcans, broken windows and set a car on fire. What they perhaps didn't realize is that DC has pretty steep penalties for that kind of stuff, and now many of them have felonies on their record (in US those are the more serious charges that stay with you for a life and often prevent people from getting a good job in the future).
Also Chomsky has pointed out that Antifa is a great gift to the right.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/noam-chomsk...
That's an interesting way to think about it, but perhaps correct as I think in aggregate their action alienate more people than it inspires and in general fail to make the government afraid so their demands are just not heard and paid attention to.
I find this especially weird given Facebook's incredibly lax approach to extreme right virulently racist posters in Eastern Europe. Like if Facebook, was censoring things that they found controversial, I'd get it, but it seems that they just censor randomly.
Facebook here is very "trigger happy" about removing posts that have even slight nationalistic flavor or cast just a shed of bad light on any minority - and most of middle eastern countries seemingly fall under that umbrella.
Have seen numerous screenshots of deleted posts and user accounts suspended for days or weeks, circulated on social media as examples of Facebook's overly eager execution.
A particularly egregious example was posts by one refugee from certain middle eastern country who simply documented the abuses she was subjected to, as a woman, and as a religious minority. She is a notable speaker at conferences and universities, telling her story. One of the post that got removed and had her penalized was screencaps of threats she received. Yes, posting screencaps of threats sent to her over Facebook by a third party got her penalized. All in all, many of her posts removed, her account subject to multiple suspensions, as far as I recall.
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I think ankhkare is referring to the other discussion thread about this situation. can be seen here [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15790687
I understand that, what it has to do with my comment though? I think ankhkare disagrees with me on a fundamental level and I'm curious about it.
My two cents
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> Third world means poor countries now. A citation would be nice. Also, what countries would be second-world with that definition? EDIT: Note that I asked what countries would be SECOND-world with this definition. Not third-world.
>A citation would be nice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World >Also, what countries would be second-world with that definition? In present-day English, the Third World is "the developing countries of Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa".[1] Third world countries in Europe, Latin America, Asia, and Africa include Russia, Albania, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Dominican Republic, Cuba, South Africa, a…
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> Occupy and anti-Trump protestors should study and learn how that works. You see to have effective peaceful protests, there has to be a credible threat of extreme and overwhelming violence that will follow unless the government listens. Government should be afraid of the people. Please don't encourage violence. The anti-Trumpers aren't fighting corruption, they're fighting democracy and their fellow citizens. Note t…
I don't want violence, and getting things done by voting is obviously much better, but for protests to work I think there has to be a threat of impending violence. A bit like how the nuclear deterrence works but on a smaller scale. I think the idea that the government should be afraid of its people is not a strange idea in his country. Now let's think when is the last time that happened? I am thinking during the Viet…