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Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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I totally support this, but I also find it ironic that Facebook would 1) make lots of people sad and then 2) monitor them for suicidal ideation. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/facebook_makes_you_...

They want to make people sad, and addicted, but they don't want to make them so sad they'll commit suicide.

From a business perspective, they want to make them depressed, dependent, but alive.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

#62

Wonderful example of how we can use AI for good. Now, if this catches on, I can see Facebook adapting their algorithm to recommend treatments for depression, anxiety, even ADHD. This would be a huge success. "Mr. Smith, I see Facebook's AI considers you a strong candidate for medication X and your doctor agrees. Can you explain then why you haven't been taking medication X?" Also, if an algorithm can detect when a pe…

>I can see Facebook adapting their algorithm to recommend treatments for depression, anxiety, even ADHD

imagine this: employers know that having these conditions (some of which are permanent) makes people less effective at working, and so they want to know who has adhd, who has x, y, z.

facebook sells them the data.

boom, now these people can't be employed by that company.

i just can't help but laugh because there's a good chance this is already happening.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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It is how to "cook the books" on the cost in blood of "social network". Teenage girls with gross depression are committing suicide at like 60% higher rate when they are active on social media. Facebook is absolutely a contributor there, and in order to disguise its actual complicity, its being a root-cause, it is now searching for clear signal of likelihood of suicide, with an attempt to ... what. What is their follo…

Do you have a source for the 60% higher rate? Curious to read more about this.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

#64

This may or may not be a useful technology, but the fact that Facebook thinks they have the ability and the right to diagnose their users with mental illnesses is disturbing. They have more information about their users than psychologists have about their patients. They can (and do) build a psychological profile and diagnose mental illness. Yet rather than keeping this information in the closest confidence, they sell…

I'm worried there's a taboo developing where only professionals or mentally ill people themselves are allowed to express any kind of opinion about mental illness or the mentally ill.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doea medical data not talked about in a medical setting trigger HIPAA? (Like me talking that I'm type 2 diabetic?)

If you talk about it outside a privileged context, you're implicitly waiving the privacy protections. For example, if you run into your physician in public, and say, "Hi Doc. Have you gotten my test results back yet?" you're the one pointing out that she's your doctor, not her. If she, unprompted, said something about your test results to you, she'd have violated HIPAA. It's your privacy to waive as you please.

The P in HIPAA doesn't stand for Privacy.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

#66

This may or may not be a useful technology, but the fact that Facebook thinks they have the ability and the right to diagnose their users with mental illnesses is disturbing. They have more information about their users than psychologists have about their patients. They can (and do) build a psychological profile and diagnose mental illness. Yet rather than keeping this information in the closest confidence, they sell…

When I read this and realize that I am not on Facebook. This IS really disturbing and should be a huge red flag for all users.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting.. I wonder if these profiles fall under HIPAA.

Absolutely not. HIPAA regulates the medical and insurance industries, which Facebook is certainly not. If you broadcast medical data to the public or put it in a newspaper HIPAA does not apply, much like this case. Best case scenario, and this is still a stretch, is that Facebook could be guilty of slander if they describe you has suicidal and that description becomes known to a third party without your consent.

I think it is unclear. For example Apple has HealthKit which collects health related data.. That data is probably HIPAA protected. If it's not (and if Facebook is not) then I would imagine we will see legislation and/or lawsuits to clarify things.

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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post #48

This is an unbelievably slippery slope. It has the potential for great good, but also for great harm. Cliched and click-bait phrases, but I believe they are accurate in this instance. I'll try to explain why I believe that. A case has been made that Facebook users are not the customers, they are the product, and that data purchasers and advertisers are the customers. If Facebook can determine whether you are suicidal…

I don't think its a slippery slope - its more like the gaping precipice. Within a few generations, we will have members of society who believe such extreme manipulation is the norm. Well, its already here, anyway - but at what cost will we expose future generations to our idiotic, un-tested, software systems!! Perhaps the only answer is to stop using the freakin' social web, but .. really .. how can we do that? This…

If this is not the last straw, what will it be?

Re: Facebook deploys AI for early signs of suicide

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post #48

This is an unbelievably slippery slope. It has the potential for great good, but also for great harm. Cliched and click-bait phrases, but I believe they are accurate in this instance. I'll try to explain why I believe that. A case has been made that Facebook users are not the customers, they are the product, and that data purchasers and advertisers are the customers. If Facebook can determine whether you are suicidal…

I don't think its a slippery slope - its more like the gaping precipice. Within a few generations, we will have members of society who believe such extreme manipulation is the norm. Well, its already here, anyway - but at what cost will we expose future generations to our idiotic, un-tested, software systems!! Perhaps the only answer is to stop using the freakin' social web, but .. really .. how can we do that? This…

Very unfortunately Facebook is not a camel.
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