I wonder if using the caves could be used to hold a small datacenter with minimal cooling costs. (Maybe a geothermal cooling loop?)
Doesn't look like there's any major fiber that goes through that area.
Huge Commercial Cave in the Ozarks for Sale
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does the fact that the preppers are rich argue against being wary of them?
Well there's a general perception of preppers as being paranoid, gun-toting, aggressive hillbillies, and the fact that it's often done by the top 1% shows that it's kind of an inaccurate stereotype.
I’m not sure where you got that perception, it’s certainly not the general one in my opinion. Breaking it down... Paranoid, yes. Gun-toting, usually. Aggressive, sometimes. Hillbillies is where I have to call it though. I’d argue there’s as many rich as there are anything else, if not more. I don’t know about you, but I’d be a little wary of folks preparing for a doomsday. Not saying I’d never consider it, but generally they are going to be a bunch uneasy with others, hence I’m going to be cautious around them.
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#43"15,000 CAVE VISITORS A YEAR GROSSING $200,000 A YEAR NETTING $75,000 A YEAR $500,000 FOR CAVE AND 27 ACRES $725,000 FOR CAVE AND 70 ACRES that also has an undeveloped cave on it" http://arkhaven.org/arkansas_real_estate.htm $75K / year net on a $500k property isn't bad at all (~15%). With a bit of work the property could have even more potential.
... no mention of how much liability insurance would cost.
The net profit should already account for all costs including liability insurance.
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#45I wonder if using the caves could be used to hold a small datacenter with minimal cooling costs. (Maybe a geothermal cooling loop?)
It would cook whatever ecosystem is there. Better to just dig a man made cave somewhere else.
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#46I wonder if using the caves could be used to hold a small datacenter with minimal cooling costs. (Maybe a geothermal cooling loop?)
There's some precedent for this. Kansas City, MO has a large network of man-made caves[1]. I remember back in the '90s at least one ISP (Tyrell?) had a data center there. A quick search shows that some companies still host there[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubTropolis [2] https://stckc.com/
Springfield, Missouri (in the Ozarks) has the Springfield Underground, an impressive and huge underground commercial space used for warehousing and data centers.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Elaborate on the "low in readability and overall UX". It loaded fast, and didn't use a cpu intensive client side animation that doesn't add to readability. It's not a paragon of design, but it was refreshing to have a single page of text that didn't download a few mbs in libraries and css, have constant tracking requests, or have animations or visualization that didn't add to my understanding of the content.
> Elaborate... - Arbitrarily changing text effects/color/padding. - Not responsive. On my laptop, I have to scroll left/right to see all pics - Nav is below the fold, I have to scroll down to see it. - Broken text hover effects Sure, it doesn't track you or download 100 js files, but you can't score a site based on what it doesn't have.
Your points are well taken. It's not a well designed site, but to play devil's advocate I hardly noticed the need to scroll right (focus was on text) and didn't notice the text hover effect issue. Nav being below fold was largely immaterial because more information of interest was on the single page.
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#48I visited this cave a few times growing up. The neatest thing about the cave is after the section where you can squeeze through (if dressed appropriately and you want to) a tiny opening, in the large cavern beyond there is a tree stump in the middle of the room. I don't know who moved it there or how they moved it there, but it always was amazing to me as a child. See the pictures of the people covered in red clay to…
I grew up in Missouri; my dad was amember of the Missouri Speleological Society, and we spent a lot of weekends wandering into unlit holes in the earth. Missouri, Arkansas and Tennessee are built on limestone and have a lot of subterranean water moving around - meaning there are a lot of caves. Like, a kind of stupid number of caves. When I was a kid, Missouri had more caves than any other state, but it lost the titl…
Bland? The Ozark region in northern Arkansas and southern Missouri is absolutely gorgeous with rolling Green hills in the summer and beautiful foliage in the fall.
Not to mention the unique dialects and culture that was cultivated in somewhat of a vacuum for a few hundred years due to the relatively difficult terrain that kept accessibility low.
Go farther north or west, and yes, I agree the views get pretty repetitive.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a good internet line and a fast computer but the images took pretty long to load, all the while making the website hard to use. So I don't really observe the same behaviour as you.
Looks like some images are higher resolution than displayed, that makes them slower to load I guess, but on the bright side one can right click and "view image" to see the stalactites in larger glory :)
Yes, so that seems in line with old school website building as well ;). There could have been smaller images that linked to bigger ones.
All I mean to say that old web technology is not always better. While I agree with your original comment with regards to 'modern' web tech often venturing deep into the field of over-engineering.
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#50"15,000 CAVE VISITORS A YEAR GROSSING $200,000 A YEAR NETTING $75,000 A YEAR $500,000 FOR CAVE AND 27 ACRES $725,000 FOR CAVE AND 70 ACRES that also has an undeveloped cave on it" http://arkhaven.org/arkansas_real_estate.htm $75K / year net on a $500k property isn't bad at all (~15%). With a bit of work the property could have even more potential.
I think that might be a different cave, but your points stand.