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Time Inc. Sells Itself to Meredith Corp., Backed by Koch Brothers

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It's hardly involuntary. No one's holding a gun to your head to own a TV receiver.

So you buy a receiver will never watch the channel, yet you must pay whether or not you even agree with their programming and somehow that is voluntary excise? It's strongarming.

There are plenty of things my government does (like invade Iraq or charge zero dollars for mineral rights) that I am forced to pay for. Cry me a river.

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I found this podcast, an interview with Charles Koch, interesting. There are two parts to it. Whatever the ideological issues may be, I found he spoke in an engaging way. http://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-hate-koch-brothers-part-... http://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-hate-koch-brothers-part-...

The conspiracy culture around the Koch brothers is cringeworthy. Yes, they are rich, very politically active, and they lean libertarian (although they often choose the conservative side over the liberal side when they come head to head). But they do not control large portions of the government and do everything for their special interests like many Democrats seem to truly believe. They have an ideology they strongly believe in, like many other people, and they do what they can to advance it in a contentious political climate where liberals currently seem to have the loudest voice.

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Charles seems like a nice guy. Curious, what is the political problem with him? https://youtu.be/Z7Pj2rKdKII A quote from the video: If you don't learn to do dirty jobs, if you don't learn unpleasant work, by the time you're in your 30s, you never learn to work productively ... you learn from that you don't want to do that the rest of your life, so you had better find some aptitude. He says that after telling about a…

They massively distort our democracy by spending billions on political advocacy for their pet causes.

Exactly, them and Soros have enormous wealth to push their pet projects --that's worrying.

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I guess a certain someone gets to become the time person of the year after all.

Time's "Person of the Year" is not necessarily an honor. It's often awarded to disreputable/notorious people because of their controversy (Hitler, Stalin, Khomeini).

Officially it's someone/something "[that] for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year".

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So you buy a receiver will never watch the channel, yet you must pay whether or not you even agree with their programming and somehow that is voluntary excise? It's strongarming.

There are plenty of things my government does (like invade Iraq or charge zero dollars for mineral rights) that I am forced to pay for. Cry me a river.

Presumably, at least, you can vote your gov out, PM, MPs --can you vote away that tax?

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How are those connected to the owner though?

Jeff Bezos owns SpaceX competitor Blue Origin, and was a big Hillary Clinton supporter.

It's still an assumption to connect the paper's content to Bezos though. That he has William Randolph Hearst level control in the WaPo seems like a common conspiracy theory.

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I don't hate him, in fact, I've read a lot about and been impressed with some of his goals, particularly criminal reform [0]. However, I've never been overly political, and I'm currently not in the population most affected by the influence of his campaign spending. Someone who is greatly affected by something like, say, reproductive rights, would probably feel differently about how Charles Koch's money -- whatever it…

The Koch brothers are pro-choice, as far as I know. They also support gay marriage and an end to drug prohibition. http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/14/politics/david-koch-gay-rights...

That's what I mean, they may personally be great folks, not any more venal or dishonorable than any activist or benefactor. But the fact is that they also use their wealth to accomplish their goals in vast, wide-reaching ways. In an ideal world, they'd be funding politicians who supported exactly their personal beliefs. But politics is never ideal, and the Koch Brothers have apparently rationalized that the ends -- supporting the GOP's hold on power -- justify the means.

So while I personally can't articulate reasons why the Koch deserve enmity, I sure as hell don't have the right to judge people who are directly disenfranchised because of the Kochs' choice in priorities.

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> The Koch brothers ... are opposed to action against climate change. Even after the results from Berkeley earth that was in part funded by one of the Koch foundations? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

Yes? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/21/climate-... You don't have to be completely binary in your judgements of people like the Koch brothers. They can still be politically questionable even if they do things you agree with from time to time. For instance, their views on criminal justice reform would probably be quite favourably received by many of the same people who oppose their views on climate c…

Sadly, I think nuance has all but been lost in today's political climate.

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Jeff Bezos owns SpaceX competitor Blue Origin, and was a big Hillary Clinton supporter.

It's still an assumption to connect the paper's content to Bezos though. That he has William Randolph Hearst level control in the WaPo seems like a common conspiracy theory.

It's a fundamental denial of obvious facts to claim that editorial control by the owner of a media outlet is conspiracy theory. There are plenty of well known examples, though most people only acknowledge the ones that are opposite their own political beliefs.

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It's still an assumption to connect the paper's content to Bezos though. That he has William Randolph Hearst level control in the WaPo seems like a common conspiracy theory.

It's a fundamental denial of obvious facts to claim that editorial control by the owner of a media outlet is conspiracy theory. There are plenty of well known examples, though most people only acknowledge the ones that are opposite their own political beliefs.

What are the well known examples and the obvious facts connecting Bezos with the editorial direction of the WaPo?

Saying he makes editorial decisions in the newspaper because they printed criticism of Sanders or his competition doesn't cut it for me.

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