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Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by tormeh »

blub wrote: post #117
Manishearth wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla's pretty careful about what goes into the default telemetry, too. Most of it is info that isn't very identifying (stuff like "how many cores do you have" or "how many times did this specific kind of jank occur for you") FWIW in Firefox nightly (maybe also beta?) if you flip the privacy.firstparty.isolate then the fact that websites can talk to each other is severely reduced; basically third party iframes get…

Any comments on the cliqz experiment? Sending visited URLs doesn't sound very careful.

Cliqz isn't (pure) telemetry, it's more like the suggestions at the top of the page on Google. It reads what you're typing in the address bar and tries to give you clever info based on what it thinks you're looking for.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by imron »

dingo_bat wrote: post #262
mustacheemperor wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using the new Firefox, I find myself wishing the phone OS project had succeeded. I want something to Android what Quantum is to Chrome. Timing is everything, I wonder if it could have succeeded now.

We'd finally have been free from the shit Google and Apple keep pulling. I'm afraid the mobile train is so long gone that it's impossible to get on board now. Even Microsoft, armed with a solid polished product could not make a dent.

> it's impossible to get on board now

To be fair people said the same thing thing to Apple when they decided to enter the phone market

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Ermenwyr »

kuschku wrote: post #249
subbz wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tabs don't hang in the top left corner but there's some space. I don't get this design decision. Also I dislike the hard dark outlines on some icons (e.g. for folders).

> The tabs don't hang in the top left corner but there's some space. Which is configurable.

It is? I've been trying to figure out how to get rid of this, but Googling various combinations of "remove space to left of tabs Firefox 57" has not yielded anything helpful.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Sylos »

schoen wrote: post #259
ecesena wrote: post #251

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I'm Italian and agree with you. This said, I'm reasonably sure that in countries like Brazil ciao is only used as good bye, so maybe this explains the confusion. FWIW, I've also saw it written as "chao", which made me rofl.

Brazilians spell it "tchau" (due to ch representing /ʃ/ rather than /tʃ/ in Portuguese -- like German sch for /ʃ/ and tsch for /tʃ/).

Funnily enough, in German we do sometimes spell it "Tschau".

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by zanedb »

zerocrates wrote: post #2

> I can't use the Conde Nast CMS in anything other than Chrome, so I can't switch completely. Highlight of the article tucked in at the end there.

Couldn't you just fake a user-agent, or does the website require components only available in Chrome?

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by brogrammernot »

Can someone help me understand why this browser will improve my day to day life as a developer?

I like Chrome Dev Tools, they fulfill the vast majority of my needs and Postman covers the rest. I just don’t exactly understand the gains for a developer to switch when the contextual switch is high.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by brogrammernot »

cageface wrote: post #221

The welcome resurgence of Firefox makes Apple’s ban on third party browser engines on iOS even less justifiable. This is about control, not security.

Honestly, I don’t really care to see any other browsers on iOS. Safari works perfectly fine and I’d rather download an app than use a mobile experience of a website. Most companies suck at mobile web apps whereas the native experience is much better.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Sylos »

blub wrote: post #117
Manishearth wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla's pretty careful about what goes into the default telemetry, too. Most of it is info that isn't very identifying (stuff like "how many cores do you have" or "how many times did this specific kind of jank occur for you") FWIW in Firefox nightly (maybe also beta?) if you flip the privacy.firstparty.isolate then the fact that websites can talk to each other is severely reduced; basically third party iframes get…

Any comments on the cliqz experiment? Sending visited URLs doesn't sound very careful.

Sending data by itself isn't commonly seen as an attack vector with things like TLS in place and working, as far as we know. At least, Google has been sending browsing history with no additional encryption as part of Chrome Sync since its inception and there we don't know of data leaks during send so far either.

And at the server where it's sent to, it gets disconnected from the IP address and intermixed with other people's browsing history. So, it's not stored in personally identifiable form and therefore not vulnerable there either.

Mozilla has also made an official statement that neither they nor Cliqz store personally identifiable information as part of this, so doing it anyways would be misleading of consumers, i.e. breaking the law.

Not to mention that it would violate German privacy laws (which is where it's currently being tested), if they collected personally identifiable information without clearly notifying the user and at least some checkbox that the user has to tick.

It's easy to spin this, so that it sounds like Mozilla is doing pure evil here, but it's just not the case.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by nasredin »

imron wrote: post #272
dingo_bat wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'd finally have been free from the shit Google and Apple keep pulling. I'm afraid the mobile train is so long gone that it's impossible to get on board now. Even Microsoft, armed with a solid polished product could not make a dent.

> it's impossible to get on board now To be fair people said the same thing thing to Apple when they decided to enter the phone market

The "smartphone" was still in its infancy back then.

Today the technology is mature enough, so it's more about the (small) gimmicks like fingerprint scanners.

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