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Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by detaro » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 10:38 PM UTC

131hn wrote: post #200

I'm all into the "switch firefox on again" and removed my chrome from my quicklaunch. It's fast as a browser should be, and I trust mozilla a lot more than google. Yet, webkit/blink powers today a lot more than google chrome. I think headless mode & nodejs(v8) integration (e.g. nwjs/electron) is still a major missing feature to call it "a browser build for 2017"

Firefox has headless mode.

I'm not sure why "use the JS engine from Chrome" is a good requirement for a non-Chrome browser, or what do you mean by "nodejs(v8) integration"?

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by jm547ster » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 10:39 PM UTC

samtoday wrote: post #199

frik wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'DOM' panel in FF DevTools unfortunately still doesn't distinguished between inbuilt native DOM nodes and custom DOM nodes from JS code - making the DOM panel still completely useless. Firebug grouped non-native DOM nodes (the interesting ones for devs) and sorted them on top, and marked them in bold font - non of these is in the new FF. Until DOM panel still a work-in-progress, I cannot switch. I still keep a Firebu…

> inbuilt native DOM nodes and custom DOM nodes from JS code What does that mean? What are "inbuilt native" DOM nodes, or "custom DOM nodes"?

DOM nodes not declared in the static HTML? Not that that makes any more sense as plenty of these are implicit.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by jamienicol » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 10:41 PM UTC

subbz wrote: post #187

Firefox is a great browser, but what bothers me: - Design: On Windows it integrates better but on MacOS the header is just somehow ugly. Chrome just feels more stable in this point. Also the scrolling to top when Chrome goes over the 0px line and bounces back - that's just a nicer behaviour. - Clearing history and cookies: I yet didn't manage to find a fast solution to do this in Firefox. Please, dear Firefox team, i…

There is a “forget” toolbar item (which you probably need to add from the customise menu) which makes it very easy to clear history and cookies

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by johnny22 » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 10:44 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #201

131hn wrote: post #200

I'm all into the "switch firefox on again" and removed my chrome from my quicklaunch. It's fast as a browser should be, and I trust mozilla a lot more than google. Yet, webkit/blink powers today a lot more than google chrome. I think headless mode & nodejs(v8) integration (e.g. nwjs/electron) is still a major missing feature to call it "a browser build for 2017"

Firefox has headless mode. I'm not sure why "use the JS engine from Chrome" is a good requirement for a non-Chrome browser, or what do you mean by "nodejs(v8) integration"?

probably a backend or binding or whatever they call it for node in the same way ChakraCore from Microsoft can be.

https://github.com/nodejs/node-chakracore

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by AaronMT » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 11:03 PM UTC

dheera wrote: post #28

I wish they had some better UX designers. Hit the download button and I get a .bz2 file with no install scripts whatsoever. $ tar jxvf firefox-57.0.tar.bz2 $ cd firefox $ mkdir /usr/local/firefox mkdir: cannot create directory '/usr/local/firefox': Permission denied $ sudo su Password: # mkdir /usr/local/firefox # cp -rv * /usr/local/firefox/ ... # ln -s /usr/local/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox ln: failed to creat…

What does this have anything to do with UX?

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by icebraining » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 11:09 PM UTC

samtoday wrote: post #199

frik wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'DOM' panel in FF DevTools unfortunately still doesn't distinguished between inbuilt native DOM nodes and custom DOM nodes from JS code - making the DOM panel still completely useless. Firebug grouped non-native DOM nodes (the interesting ones for devs) and sorted them on top, and marked them in bold font - non of these is in the new FF. Until DOM panel still a work-in-progress, I cannot switch. I still keep a Firebu…

> inbuilt native DOM nodes and custom DOM nodes from JS code What does that mean? What are "inbuilt native" DOM nodes, or "custom DOM nodes"?

I believe frik means what's described in the "Love your own" section: https://getfirebug.com/dom#content

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by subbz » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 11:13 PM UTC

merb wrote: post #195

subbz wrote: post #187

Firefox is a great browser, but what bothers me: - Design: On Windows it integrates better but on MacOS the header is just somehow ugly. Chrome just feels more stable in this point. Also the scrolling to top when Chrome goes over the 0px line and bounces back - that's just a nicer behaviour. - Clearing history and cookies: I yet didn't manage to find a fast solution to do this in Firefox. Please, dear Firefox team, i…

why is the header ugly on MacOS? it actually has the same color and looks like it's part of the menu bar.

The tabs don't hang in the top left corner but there's some space. I don't get this design decision. Also I dislike the hard dark outlines on some icons (e.g. for folders).

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by subbz » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 11:14 PM UTC

jamienicol wrote: post #203

subbz wrote: post #187

Firefox is a great browser, but what bothers me: - Design: On Windows it integrates better but on MacOS the header is just somehow ugly. Chrome just feels more stable in this point. Also the scrolling to top when Chrome goes over the 0px line and bounces back - that's just a nicer behaviour. - Clearing history and cookies: I yet didn't manage to find a fast solution to do this in Firefox. Please, dear Firefox team, i…

There is a “forget” toolbar item (which you probably need to add from the customise menu) which makes it very easy to clear history and cookies

Thanks!

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by OJFord » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 11:15 PM UTC

spystath wrote: post #18

zerocrates wrote: post #2

> I can't use the Conde Nast CMS in anything other than Chrome, so I can't switch completely. Highlight of the article tucked in at the end there.

You'd think that a technology-oriented magazine like wired would at least try to aim for cross-browser compatibility in their infrastructure. But why bother, make your CMS Chrome-only a policy and free yourself of extra testing. And it's not only wired. I've come across a lot of internal sites and intranets that are poorly tested on anything but Chrome. I know, it's not exactly the same thing as the old IE/ActiveX bu…

At least it's Chrome.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by neogodless » Sat, Nov 25, 2017, 11:19 PM UTC

Anyone use LastPass? It seems like a deal breaker when it comes to Firefox. On my phone, where I really don't want to be typing 16 digit passwords, I can't get it to play nicely with Firefox mobile. If I can get it working, I can really try switching back.