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Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by blub »

jayd16 wrote: post #63
userbinator wrote: post #54

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Unfortunately telemetry is everywhere now, and it disgusts me greatly. Personally, I find the idea that software should continuously phone home about its use, and this silent data collection/monitoring, extremely abhorrent. Some apps that really do not need to interact with the network at all do it, and those can be easily firewalled, but not so with a browser. Edit: Wow, downvotes for opposing pervasive telemetry. N…

Every app and app developer could use crash/bug reports. I can understand your paranoia that something else is being sent but I would hardly call the idea of asking to send back bug reports abhorrent.

Decent gaslighting attempt, but no.

This is not paranoia, scummy software developers have actually sent much more than crash reports. And crash reports may contain private information anyway.

Before anyone says Mozilla is different: http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whic...

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by blub »

Tomte wrote: post #57
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #29

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My gut reaction was to be suspicious of Mozilla, but then I remembered that they're Mozilla. They're probably just trying to figure out which features are confusing for users. It's strange because we do this type of tracking in all facets of webapps, but desktop apps trigger our suspicion meter.

Firefox is actually the only software where I've reviewed the privacy settings when asked and allowed it to send more information than the default setting to the vendor. Because Mozilla.

How about sending the URLs you visit? This could actually happen to you, since you likely live in Germany based on your comments: http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whic...

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by sctb »

eugeneionesco wrote: post #74
catshirt wrote: post #8

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in addition to the closet racists, the last election seems to be outing the closet fascists.

Ohh, people at Mozilla have always been pretty much openly fascists. Just look at the Eich story.

We've asked you many times not to post unsubstantive, inflammatory political comments, so we've banned the account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by mattnewton »

drinchev wrote: post #120

Kudos to Mozilla for the new Firefox. I really like it! Though I'm quite sure I won't switch from Safari, since I don't want to exercise my fans anymore. Tried Firefox Quantum and it really feels fast, but it's still on top of my "significant energy" battery list. When I think about it it would be really hard to beat a native GUI browser with something made for cross-platform, so I feel a bit desperate.

I think it is more that many of the safari folks work at a hardware company where people will file bugs and show up at their offices if need be when battery life is affected for said hardware.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Manishearth »

Tomte wrote: post #116
lol768 wrote: post #73

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> That said I switched to firefox and this (and lack of U2F 2nd factor auth) is the only pain point so far You should be able to flip "security.webauth.u2f" depending on your release channel. If not available yet, I think it will be soon in any case.

None of the sites where I've been using U2F works. Some/many sites are sniffing the user agent. And as far as I have googled, there may be a bug in Mozilla's implementation (or maybe a different interpretation of the standard) that they are currently fixing.

It's not a bug in Mozilla's implementation.

Google has a JS u2f library that relies on an implementation specific detail of Chrome's U2F impl. Lots of folks use this library.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Manishearth »

blub wrote: post #117
Manishearth wrote: post #101

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Mozilla's pretty careful about what goes into the default telemetry, too. Most of it is info that isn't very identifying (stuff like "how many cores do you have" or "how many times did this specific kind of jank occur for you") FWIW in Firefox nightly (maybe also beta?) if you flip the privacy.firstparty.isolate then the fact that websites can talk to each other is severely reduced; basically third party iframes get…

Any comments on the cliqz experiment? Sending visited URLs doesn't sound very careful.

I don't know much about that. I'm talking about Firefox in particular.

Edit: Ah, this is a part of Firefox. It looks like they're using some crypto/privacy features such that "aggregation is not technically feasible".

Strongly blinding stuff that way isn't new; e.g. the safe browsing stuff uses differential privacy.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by fdej »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #31

The speed increase in Firefox has been something I haven't seen in a browser update for years.

It reminds me of Phoenix (to become Firefox), and how much of an improvement it was over the Mozilla browser. It makes me wonder where things went wrong, as I recall the Firefox of ~2005 being snappier than the one of ~2015. The only discrete drop in performance that I can remember was the addition of the AwesomeBar (which was worth it, but it really annoyed me at the time that just typing in an address became sluggish). Of course, my memory about these things could be completely wrong, and in any case web 2.0 gradually took over and websites accreted JavaScript faster than the hardware could improve, so comparing today with 10-15 years ago isn't really fair... Well, congrats to the Firefox developers, because it really is a pleasure to use again.
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