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Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Anyone have thoughts on the opt-out telemetry default? I had to read the privacy notice they open on start to find out that telemetry was enabled by default.

My gut reaction was to be suspicious of Mozilla, but then I remembered that they're Mozilla. They're probably just trying to figure out which features are confusing for users. It's strange because we do this type of tracking in all facets of webapps, but desktop apps trigger our suspicion meter.

Mozilla's pretty careful about what goes into the default telemetry, too. Most of it is info that isn't very identifying (stuff like "how many cores do you have" or "how many times did this specific kind of jank occur for you")

FWIW in Firefox nightly (maybe also beta?) if you flip the privacy.firstparty.isolate then the fact that websites can talk to each other is severely reduced; basically third party iframes get their own set of cookies for each domain they're embedded in, so tracking iframes know about each other less. Flipping this pref will log you out of everything though (only the one time), and some sites don't work with it (nothing major so far, and you can file a bug. In many cases it's the site relying on iframes in a weird way).

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Am I the only one on HN that dosen't see any significant difference in performance vs Chrome 62 ? and developer tools in Chrome are still superior. I am using both browsers on my ultrabook with mobile low power processor and on my desktop with flagship intel i7 and I don't see any reason to switch to firefox completely.

It seems that Mozilla just uncovered how to make PR/marketing successfully after years of failures in this department. Good because competition is good for end-users.

It's shame that Mozilla is doing things like this though:

"I stopped using firefox since they are delivering cliqz with every 100th download which will analyze and store your browsing history" [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15771719

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of great email, contacts and calendar services out there, you just need to pay for them. I went with FastMail and it’s been absolutely painless.

I fear the actual migration, not the alternatives

I suggest email migration in 3 steps:

1. Set up an email client and get into the habit of checking your mail from it instead of the web interface (at least, on your normal devices). 2. Create and start using your new email account, which you can add as a second email address in your client of choice, alongside your gmail. Share the new address with friends and family; people who you want to recieve mail from. 3. Gradually switch over logins and the rare newsletter you care about to the new address.

Eventually, you'll find that you no longer get any mail you care about on gmail. That's when you download an archive (which you think you will look at but actually never will) and delete your account. As a side benefit, you'll likely get to cut down the amount of junk mail you get :)

I've never used Google calendar, but I presume there's a way to export as ical? That should make it easy to migrate to any provider you like.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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I'm surprised at the success of Mozilla's PR push for this. It seems the time is right for this. Probably helps that tech sites seem to compete to have an article on every "current" topic.

Mozilla is running Firefox adverts in my city. I don't remember seeing browser adverts since the initial chrome push.

Does Chrome spam on the google home page count?

I've heard that is one of the most valuable ad spots in the world and I've seen a lot of Chrome ads there.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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I'm a pretty heavy user of Chrome profiles .. definitely doesn't feel as well thought out in Firefox.

I agree. Here's my setup for standalone/isolated profiles if it's any help: "firefox.exe" -no-remote -fullscreen -P "spotify-profile" -url "https://open.spotify.com" and user_pref("taskbar.grouping.useprofile", true) so that I get separate icons in my taskbar for each profile https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Command_Lin...

> and user_pref("taskbar.grouping.useprofile", true) so that I get separate icons in my taskbar for each profile

Thanks for bringing this up. It was bothering me.

Here are specific instructions on how to do this, for the curious: https://superuser.com/a/1050664

And in case anyone's curious about changing the icons of the different profiles in the taskbar, there's this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/24398229

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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> I can't use the Conde Nast CMS in anything other than Chrome, so I can't switch completely. Highlight of the article tucked in at the end there.

Chrome is IE6 all over again.

It shares a fraction of one property with IE6. It's nothing like IE6 in all other respects.

A quick refresher for those that perhaps was not around in those heady days: to build even moderately advanced (dynamic) web pages that were cross browser compatible was not merely a question of remembering to test in both, it was a significant engineering commitment. To add to the badness, Netscape in those years was frankly just not a very good browser, so it was not a particularly easy sell. Thus a lot of apps built in those years only (and quite rationally, too) targeted IE4, 5 and finally 6, Microsoft being very focused on backwards compatibility. IE7 was the first browser standards compliant enough to make cross browser development reasonably easy, also being the first browser in the line to have to compete with Firefox. It broke backwards compatibility, which is why IE6 ended up hanging around for so long and being so hated, even if was the DHTML API of IE4 that was the original culprit.

Today, there is no good excuse to build web apps that does not work in all the major browsers, it's just so (relatively) easy. But that was emphatically not the case 15-20 years ago.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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After years of being a Chrome user, I've been trying to work myself off of Google's infrastructure as much as possible. Firefox is great, but I was very disappointed to learn that they are partnering with political activists to block sites that they deem to be "fake news." Edit: makeee below posted a good source describing what Mozilla is currently doing, which appears to be limited to "researching" the problem of fa…

Source? Can’t find anything online that indicates they are partnering with political activists to block websites.

The confusion seems to be an AFP story conflating two separate programs. The AFP story mentions Mozilla at the same time as an organization called Full Fact, that has a product that does automated live fact checking. It was initially designed for use during televised political debates, where it could show "correct" and "incorrect" warning popups on screen in real time according to what was said:

https://phys.org/news/2017-08-mozilla-fact-checker-fake-news...

(Apologies for the awful link source, I can't find a primary AFP link. Several other sites that have published the same identical story.)

Full Fact does appear to be a real organization, they claim to already work with the BBC, Guardian & other media partners, as well as Google. Some of the controversy seems to be over their grant funding from Omidyar Network and an organization founded by George Soros. (Whether that's a reason for concern, I have no idea.)

https://fullfact.org/blog/2017/jun/automated-fact-checking-f...

https://fullfact.org/blog/2017/jun/awarded-500000-omidyar-ne...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/08/fake-news...

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I simply don't want the technology I use to be the arbiter of information. Teaching people to discern quality sources for themselves is far better IMO.

That seems to be exactly what Mozilla is doing no? Research and investing in tools that help people learn to navigate information online and judge for them self. Haven’t found anything that suggests they plan on blocking websites.

Thanks, the link you posted clarifies that what they are doing at this point is "researching" ways to combat fake news. In practice, the solutions I could imagine them coming up with would be either outright blocking / de-ranking, or preemptively labeling certain sites / articles as fake news. I hope to be wrong on both of those counts.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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And yet 95% of the time I try to watch YouTube in Firefox, it just hangs, never actually playing. Yet Chrome works flawlessly every time. I'm not saying Google is doing anything malicious here, I think it's more of a "we put a lot more effort into making YouTube work" kinda thing.

I've seen something similar — because I turned off auto playing videos. Manually scrubbing the video forward and back seems to fix it for me.

It's also not that surprising that Google has less of an incentive to test interoperability with their competitor's product…

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