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Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by psyklic »

ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

I still say: if you're in a big city, the only person to blame about not meeting women is yourself. Be creative. Show girls that you're interesting and like to have fun. For fun I took an acting class in LA, another city of men. It was a small class with a 3:1 ratio -- 3 girls per guy -- and several of the girls were models. If that's not your thing, try an aerobics class at your gym. Idk, put yourself out there in situations where you see the same girls over time AND get to show your real self. Be real with people and they will like you.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by sandipc »

wooster wrote: post #75
starkfist wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example, when the iPhone came out, ... in New York, it was almost a non-event; Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSE0bBgUsQ

Yes, really. At that point the NY tech scene still considered iPhones to be toys.

I think a lot of people (and businesses) don't consider them to be toys anymore because, in recent iOS updates (2.0/3.0+) Apple has started to fully embrace some Blackberry/WinMo features -- remote wipe, exchange support, etc.

Also, who really bought the first gen iPhone? The original iPhone did well, but the iPhone wasn't a blockbuster hit until the 3G/2.0 came out with the App Store and other features that had led a lot of critics to dismiss the original phone a year before that.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by masomenos »

sabat wrote: post #78
moultano wrote: post #44

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In this regard, Chicago trumps all. Chicago is to New York, as New York is to SF. Normalize this graph for population and you'll see what I mean: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/where_are_all_the...

Please. Chicago has no culture, no vibe, no personality. People there are, by and large, spending their adulthoods trying to overcome their religious upbringing. The weather sucks, the business climate is mainly stuck in the 1930s. There's no There there. What's good about it, again?

I'm sorry if Chicago beat you up and took your lunch money.

I've never tried living there, but it's a great place to visit. Great food, great museums, great parks, Great Lake. Blues music. You can get there on a train from many places.

Also, 37 Signals seems to be doing OK there.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by oziumjinx »

biggitybones wrote: post #8
mkelly wrote: post #2

Well said. The point that Wall Street != New York is particularly important here, w.r.t Antonio's post. I've only been here a year, but I know New York is big , and it is not homogeneous. I don't think Antonio ever realized that. Also, kudos to blip.tv. I had a chance to meet a few of the blip kids a few months ago and you guys were really cool.

Seconded. I rarely interact with those types, and I work for a major consulting company in the city. There are multiple ways to avoid that crowd, starting with staying out of Murray Hill. The thing I love about New York is the inherent challenge. You're among some of the most competitive people in the world who love nothing more than to squash your idea. And if you manage to convince those people or rise from their n…

i live in murray hill and love it. Close to grand central, union sq, madison sq park, great selection of restaurants (not trying to compare to downtown or even some ues areas), and it doesnt hurt that I work 4 blocks away from my apt.

Plenty of cheesy bars that are sure to bring in the 'i just graduated and trying to break into PR' crowds of girls.

Whats not to love?

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by 32ftpersecond »

noname123 wrote: post #50
pkchen wrote: post #48

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Lots of hot, young girls in NYC ... but if you're running a startup, goooood luck. Tell them you work at a hedge fund instead, then maybe you'll get laid.

Seconded. All I have to do in the clubs is tell them that I work in Murders & Execution and next thing you know, I'm hailing a cab with my new catch in-tow.

... I have to go return some video-tapes.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by evgen »

cynicalkane wrote: post #49
pjhyett wrote: post #4

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I find the ability to drive and experience seasons, like going to Tahoe during winter, is far more agreeable than being forced into them. I spent 20 years in Chicago with its freezing winters and hot and humid summers and San Francisco's mild climate is a dream.

Well, to each his own. I'm from Oakland, CA and I am fine with Chicago weather. It can get uncomfortable, but I'll take that as a trade-off for my near-downtown apartment in one of America's greatest cities at half the cost of a comparable place in NY or SF. The summers are actually better--Oakland will get these horrible 90-100 degree heat waves--and the problem of winter is easily solved by adding more layers.

Just wait until you become accustomed to people using the phrases "lake-effect snow" and "humidity index". As a midwesterner for the first half of my life and Chicago native for a decent chunk of that I can say with certainty that Oakland weather beats Chicago weather in just about every possible way. The only thing I actually miss is fall; there is something really pleasant about a Midwestern fall (I suspect it's even nicer in the northeast) with the leaves changing color and falling, the first few brisk days when the scent of burning leaves and fireplaces drifts through the early evening, etc.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by qq66 »

bia wrote: post #70
SilianRail wrote: post #54

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Actually girls in NYC are attracted to success and most women here are very impressed by "I started my own company in NYC". Although this is where your ability to "massage" the truth comes into play.

Pretend for a second that you realize that girls read HN too. If you massage the truth about your company, it's inconceivable that I would sleep with you, let alone take you seriously.

Assuming you discover the fact that the truth is massaged...

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by billpaetzke »

psyklic wrote: post #101
ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

I still say: if you're in a big city, the only person to blame about not meeting women is yourself. Be creative. Show girls that you're interesting and like to have fun. For fun I took an acting class in LA, another city of men. It was a small class with a 3:1 ratio -- 3 girls per guy -- and several of the girls were models. If that's not your thing, try an aerobics class at your gym. Idk, put yourself out there in s…

If you are into health & fitness, try Bikram Yoga. It's the kind where you're in extreme heat. And there's also some extremely fit/attractive women there. Google for the closest one in your area.

FYI: I have found a great mix of people there; so, it's not feminine. Actually, the founder is an Indian man. Also, it's a little expensive, but you get what you pay for.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by papa »

jbooth wrote: post #74
lr wrote: post #30

I agree with the (title of the) post very much, but one major point I would like to make is: Mountain View != San Francisco! I find it very misleading when people talk about San Francisco (usually in a negative light) and what they are really talking about are the suburbs of SF. Please stop doing that. That would be like saying NYC is boring because you are actually talking about Yonkers.

Yeah, but 80% of the tech employment is down there. So you either have a horrific commute or get to live in the suburbs. That alone seals it for me, I'm staying in NYC. Although maybe I'd get more work done if my immediate environment bored me to tears.

Well it is possible to work for a tech company and stay in SF. You just need to work with a more restrictive set of job requirements. I got tired of doing the long commute in 2003 and decided to only look at companies within the city limits. It took a year to find something I really liked, but it was life-changing to be able to work and live in the same place and avoid the 50-mile one-way commute.

And, of course, you can start and operate your company out of SF (which is what I eventually did as well).

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