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Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by SilianRail » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:39 PM UTC

moultano wrote: post #44

ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

In this regard, Chicago trumps all. Chicago is to New York, as New York is to SF. Normalize this graph for population and you'll see what I mean: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/where_are_all_the...

As a Chicago native and a current Manhattan resident I'll have to respectively disagree. The amount of single women in Manhattan is staggering, noticeable and quite frankly of higher quality. For the record - I still love Midwest women.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by starkfist » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:42 PM UTC

wooster wrote: post #31

Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

For example, when the iPhone came out, ... in New York, it was almost a non-event;

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSE0bBgUsQ

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by jreposa » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:43 PM UTC

wooster wrote: post #31

Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

Having lived in the north east my entire life, I completely agree. Although, I built up a resistance to it after a while. It has definitely hurt some relationships in the past.

But, can this attitude be said for lots of cities?

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by SilianRail » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:43 PM UTC

pkchen wrote: post #48

risotto wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's shocking to me how few women there are in SF. The east coast is crawling with good looking, single young women. Most of them are really nice normal women with family oriented goals. Then NYC is full of wild girls that like to dress up, go out and have fun. LA is great in this regard too. Sure there are plenty of women in SF, but a good share of them are alt, hipster, vegan, etc. Nice enough still, but then the c…

Lots of hot, young girls in NYC ... but if you're running a startup, goooood luck. Tell them you work at a hedge fund instead, then maybe you'll get laid.

Actually girls in NYC are attracted to success and most women here are very impressed by "I started my own company in NYC". Although this is where your ability to "massage" the truth comes into play.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by pvg » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:43 PM UTC

biggitybones wrote: post #45

davidw wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing I love about New York is the inherent challenge. You're among some of the most competitive people in the world who love nothing more than to squash your idea. And if you manage to convince those people or rise from their negativity, you know you're onto something. So you're saying that if you have the ability to make it there, the probability of making it in other locations is high?

I always have trouble wording it in a way that doesn't convey that logic.. I just mean there's much more resistance to go through to vet your idea, for better or for worse. The NY tech community has a lot of the same personality as the HN community - just because you are a part of it doesn't make you less likely to succeed without it but it's great at providing guidance and critique. I hope that clarifies, I still ha…

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+sinatra/new+york+new+york...

Take a look at the 5th stanza. Then look at the comment you're replying to.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by kellysutton » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:44 PM UTC

SilianRail wrote: post #51

moultano wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this regard, Chicago trumps all. Chicago is to New York, as New York is to SF. Normalize this graph for population and you'll see what I mean: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/where_are_all_the...

As a Chicago native and a current Manhattan resident I'll have to respectively disagree. The amount of single women in Manhattan is staggering, noticeable and quite frankly of higher quality. For the record - I still love Midwest women.

It's the Sex and the City effect, for better or for worse.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by jakejohnson » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:44 PM UTC

mildweed wrote: post #35

If you want an affordable, quality place full of capable, motivated people, not to mention the headquarters of the Kauffman Foundation... Kansas City is the place.

I second this, KC is a great city for startups and very affordable. Lots of motivated people at Startup Weekend and other events... many Ruby and PHP devs, not enough design talent. UMKC is pushing entrepreneurship through their E&I institute and student venture incubators.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by brown9-2 » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:49 PM UTC

wooster wrote: post #31

Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

Do you really find that the types of responses you get can be stereotyped by the person's location?

I just have a hard time believing that qualities like this can be chalked up to location and certain parts of the country, but perhaps I'm naive (and I have no experience living on the west coast).

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by shadowfox » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:53 PM UTC

risotto wrote: post #14

pjhyett wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the ability to drive and experience seasons, like going to Tahoe during winter, is far more agreeable than being forced into them. I spent 20 years in Chicago with its freezing winters and hot and humid summers and San Francisco's mild climate is a dream.

Hear hear. I do suspect no seasons makes some of the LA natives a bit wacky. It's good character building to deal with shitty weather for a while. But CA has all the advantages here. The day-to-day weather is consistent and mild, and there is easy access to whatever nature you desire for a change. Mountains for skiing, the ocean for swimming, surfing or boating, forests and deserts for hiking. I was stuck in Michigan…

> no seasons makes some of the LA natives a bit wacky

By the count entire countries in the tropics should be wacky :P

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by wilschroter » Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 5:57 PM UTC

geebee wrote: post #33

ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

I actually had a similar experience. Spent most of my life in SF but lived for about 6 months in Manhattan. It was far, far easier to meet women. In fact, a guy can even be a bit of a wallflower and still meet women in Manhattan, because they will take the initiative. Funny, up to that point, I thought SF was a pretty good place to meet women, because my only point of comparison was San Diego, which is a pretty rough…

Having lived on the east coast, midwest, and west coast, I would say the resources are certainly different at a business level (capital, talent, etc) although you can certainly make do wherever you go.

However, anyone who thinks there are hot girls in SF has never left SF.