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To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by mfukar »

DiThi wrote: post #66
Sir_Substance wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"? Also, by "most countries" you mean "countries with legal codes even vaguely compatible with Westminster-derived legal concepts" which is in no way "most countries" in a global sense, right?

> By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"? Power, influence, GDP. Things that matter to politicians, which are the ones that get to choose these matters.

The FCC are appointees, not elected.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by curtisblaine »

dest wrote: post #29
djmetzle wrote: post #11

I have a proposition: You know how Tor works? Onion routing? Send traffic encrypted multiple times through a list of nodes before exiting at an edge? What if everyone sent their traffic back and forth to eachother. One hop, encrypted, and then forwarded. Just like Tor, but a single hop. Not anonymized, just peer-to-peer distributed. If everyone did that (build it into browsers) the internet would function _full-mesh_…

I guess they would put all P2P traffic on the low priority lane. Some part of the people would try the fast lane, because the slow one is too slow and they do not care enough about NN. In the end the P2P people would lose.

And that's precisely why Europe will be affected too. I'm thinking of distributed systems, like ipfs or tor, that would be impacted as a whole by slow p2p traffic.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by curtisblaine »

beardog wrote: post #33
jhoechtl wrote: post #31

Isn't IPFS already there to fill that need? https://ipfs.io/

You're getting the web confused with the net. Decentralizing the application layer is different from decentralizing the physical infrastructure, which is what is needed to maintain net neutrality.

Yep, I think that ipfs, being peer to peer, would be actually negatively affected by p2p traffic being in the slower lane. Globally.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by [deleted] »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40
tbabb wrote: post #4

No. To save the internet, we have to make the most gigantic stink the world has seen since the Trump election. The solution is not "give up and let this pass, and then quietly try to work around it." It's "make the people in power pay DEARLY for their transgressions."

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by curtisblaine »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40
tbabb wrote: post #4

No. To save the internet, we have to make the most gigantic stink the world has seen since the Trump election. The solution is not "give up and let this pass, and then quietly try to work around it." It's "make the people in power pay DEARLY for their transgressions."

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

From what I understand you will still be put in the slow lane if you're a Dutch startup offering services to Americans. and the US market is not exactly small. It's a loss for the Internet as a whole, not only the USA.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by apple4ever »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #12
rdtsc wrote: post #9

> A future in which ISPs are owned by local governments, small businesses, nonprofit community groups, and the people they serve are the path forward and the only realistic way of ending big telecom’s stranglehold on America. I'd like that. These day internet access is more like a utility. It helps people telecommute, do banking, grocery shopping even, pay bills, etc. If municipalities can handle providing water and…

>The free market competition among the providers is just not happening and will probably never happen in a lot of areas. It has been enough years already, fiber technology is here, wireless as well, but hasn't helped enough. Time to stop pretending and using it as an excuse. It's important to remember that the FCC is our nation's censor, and will be far more cozy to government censorship of the internet than what we'…

Exactly this. In fact, even if you support NN, you should oppose Title II NN. It literally does the opposite of what NN supporters think, plus it allows strong government regulation of the internet.

I’m oppose to NN on principle (because it goes against the basic operation of the Internet and restrict innovation), but I’d much rather see a modern law passed than A law written 80 years used to implement it.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by betterunix2 »

rdtsc wrote: post #9

> A future in which ISPs are owned by local governments, small businesses, nonprofit community groups, and the people they serve are the path forward and the only realistic way of ending big telecom’s stranglehold on America. I'd like that. These day internet access is more like a utility. It helps people telecommute, do banking, grocery shopping even, pay bills, etc. If municipalities can handle providing water and…

"The free market competition among the providers is just not happening and will probably never happen in a lot of areas."

Actually, we know exactly how to create a competitive market: line sharing rules. We used to have line sharing requirements for DSL and there were dozens of competing services in most cities. The situation we face today is the result of those rules being eliminated during the Bush administration.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by pnutjam »

akerro wrote: post #46
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

>As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. You can't be more wrong. Since Netflix, Amazon, youporn, imgur, reddit will be affected by this and they will have to pay more to keep their bandwidth on the same level as now, or slower by only 10% (hey, they could slow down their network links by 60%, but since they pay 20M per year, its slower by only 10%!) you as the end, you the end consumer will have t…

Not really, these charges were be born by the consumer. This is about the ability to offer consumer tiers. Sure there might be companies that pay the consumer fee to be included, like QVC did to be on everyone's cable.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Post by featherverse »

Rather than "build our own" we should take back what used to belongs to us in the first place.

They say there's a shortage of qualified I.T. people. If you work for telecoms who support a non-neutral internet, then quit. Go on strike. Work only for companies who support Net Neutrality.

Kill the enemy using free market capitalism.

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