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To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1: Try to convince the FCC to not vote to kill NN. Step 2: Call your members of Congress and tell them to enshrine NN into law. Step 3: Vote your Rep out next year if they refuse to do what you ask for. Step 4: Vote out the President in 2020 if he vetoes NN. Pretty straightforward, imho.

Trouble is, Ajit gets up there and talks about competition being good for the consumer, and then all the rightwingers echo that "Bigly". As wrong as this is, it will be hard to vote someone out if the facts are muddled.

Yes, and the Republicans conveniently ignore that most consumers in the US have very little choice in ISPs. These days you probably have the option of DSL from your phone company or the offering from your cable company.

Luckily some communities are setting up their own broadband services, but the telecom monopolies are doing their best to make it illegal for communities to do this.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Isn't IPFS already there to fill that need? https://ipfs.io/

You're getting the web confused with the net. Decentralizing the application layer is different from decentralizing the physical infrastructure, which is what is needed to maintain net neutrality.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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post #5

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Your solution needs to be refreshed with each election, we need a permanent solution that won't be reversed 2 years later.

Step 1: Try to convince the FCC to not vote to kill NN. Step 2: Call your members of Congress and tell them to enshrine NN into law. Step 3: Vote your Rep out next year if they refuse to do what you ask for. Step 4: Vote out the President in 2020 if he vetoes NN. Pretty straightforward, imho.

Simple solution from the FCC; they'll outdate the outrage.

Simply make some rule that to the average person looks like Net-Neutrality but in reality isn't. Or go only half way.

And with that all the average people will simply tell you "but they did bring back net neutrality!" and you'll have to update the outrage.

It's a much more efficient way to deal with outrage, currently employed by EA.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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I don't quite buy this suggestion. ISPs would easily be able to identify and block VPN traffic running over their lines. The best action here is to act while there is still time to change course.

Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boycott their services if they continue to support Pai and his dangerous agenda.

What he is proposing would be like giving your telephone company discretionary control over which calls they let in or out and relegating the rest to busy signals.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#36

I have a proposition: You know how Tor works? Onion routing? Send traffic encrypted multiple times through a list of nodes before exiting at an edge? What if everyone sent their traffic back and forth to eachother. One hop, encrypted, and then forwarded. Just like Tor, but a single hop. Not anonymized, just peer-to-peer distributed. If everyone did that (build it into browsers) the internet would function _full-mesh_…

I was just posting this.

Its also low latency routing as tor router routes only for directly connected nodes where as internet router routes for all nodes. After certain network size, internet router will become too inefficient.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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post #35

I don't quite buy this suggestion. ISPs would easily be able to identify and block VPN traffic running over their lines. The best action here is to act while there is still time to change course. Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boy…

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#39
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your solution needs to be refreshed with each election, we need a permanent solution that won't be reversed 2 years later.

Step 1: Try to convince the FCC to not vote to kill NN. Step 2: Call your members of Congress and tell them to enshrine NN into law. Step 3: Vote your Rep out next year if they refuse to do what you ask for. Step 4: Vote out the President in 2020 if he vetoes NN. Pretty straightforward, imho.

I don't see how that's straightforward, especially numbers 3 and 4. Are you gonna vote out the president just for NN? Even if you don't think the other guy is gonna be much different in that regard?

Americans cast one single vote (in presidential elections) for one of two candidates, on a myriad of issues of every level of seriousness. Leaving aside the fight to convince a majority of americans, just deciding to vote against someone for NN is anything but straightforward.

I don't see why the criticisms on the idea discussed in the article. We can try both routes, give them all the flak we can for this and also try alternative paths to NN. This is an extremely uphill battle, we should be looking for every remotely-viable path.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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post #4

No. To save the internet, we have to make the most gigantic stink the world has seen since the Trump election. The solution is not "give up and let this pass, and then quietly try to work around it." It's "make the people in power pay DEARLY for their transgressions."

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC.

If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America.

But let's be clear that the FCC has nothing to do with "The Internet". They're strictly an American affliction.

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