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I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by raarts »

convolvatron wrote: post #132
School-Cotton wrote: post #60

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It’s possible that he actually believes Net Neutrality is bad policy. I’m for net neutrality but I at least recognize that it’s possible to disagree in good faith.

it is. I can't recall seeing a well reasoned argument against it, but one can presume there is one. but this process seem pretty perfunctory. in this corner the open exchange of ideas and the free market, and in the other...the idea that if we allow service providers the ability to package and toll all the content in the world, somehow that will be better for all of us. maybe this decision is too important to delegat…

Here's one: getting rid of net neutrality increases the freedom of ISP's to monetize their control of your internet connection.

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Post by jakeogh »

NN is an excellent example of framing by naming. Imagine if it was called the the "More Internet Regulation Act". Prima facie it's a more accurate name.

Since this is going to happen (reverting to the way it was for ~25 years), I'll point out that an echo chamber forms by default because most of us who might spend time arguing about it don't see a good reason to.

Aside... the largest cable provider decided it would be a good idea to edit a cleartext page on the way to me ('helpfully' inserting a JS popup about upcoming metering changes), I called and canceled my decade old ~$90/mo acct on the spot when the refused to put it in writing that they would not edit my inbound data in the future. Consumer reaction is equiv to voting. See NFL. Spare me variations on the 'normies don't care' arg.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by xpac »

If you're wondering, how the wonderful invisible hand of the market would use "net freedom" - say hello to Portugal.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rokhanna/status/92370187109244108...

I don't see how this benefits anybody besides the ISP. It just makes them find a multitude of reasons why $everybody should pay double and triple to get a proper connection.

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Post by coliveira »

extortionist wrote: post #176
enraged_camel wrote: post #58

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Unfortunately, Americans today are weak. Everyone is way too self-obsessed with their own pitiful, pathetic lives (family, jobs, house, creature comforts, etc.) to actually take to the streets and protest like their parents and grandparents did during the 60s to fight for their rights and those of others. The Internet, despite its tremendous potential, has proven to be a massive liability, as it gives people the illu…

I'd argue that taking to the street and protesting is also just giving people the illusion that they're doing something useful. The Iraq War protests were some of the largest in history, and they accomplished exactly nothing (and to your example, look up Malachi Ritscher). Occupy Wall Street was a massive movement and accomplished nothing. The protests against Obamacare repeal were massive and widespread, and seem to…

> Office holders are not beholden to people yelling in the streets but to the people who get them elected

That's completely incorrect, the easiest thing in politics is to get people to vote for you, especially in a two-party system that effectively prevents challengers to the status quo in an election. All in all, the only power that people effectively have is the power to revolt. Democracy is a peaceful system of government but it can only be maintained through the threat of revolution. When that threat doesn't exist, politicians will do whatever they want.

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Post by dingaling »

xpac wrote: post #219
of wrote: post #74

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> Fast lanes DO exist in other countries right now. Which countries?

Portugal. https://mobile.twitter.com/rokhanna/status/92370187109244108...

As was pointed-out repeatedly yesterday, those are add-ons for mobile data.

You pay your base fee ( to access anything ) and you can then add particular bundles to get flat-rated access to certain websites. Or you can just continue to pay by the MB.

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Post by orthecreedence »

ikeboy wrote: post #34
the_common_man wrote: post #27

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Well, people who are anti-NN would never voice their opinion in this climate. They will get downvoted to hell.

I recall trying to argue against NN years ago here and getting down voted. It's interesting that economists largely are against NN as well. http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

Let's ask beekeepers what they think of Net Neutrality while we're at it. Or how about professional dog walkers too?

"Children under the age of 6 overwhelmingly oppose Net Neutrality."

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Post by coliveira »

agf wrote: post #48
coliveira wrote: post #23

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This may be about the Internet, but doing online "protest" will get us nowhere. Real protest means people going to the streets and making the government afraid of real violence. Other than that I don't see any way out.

Real protest means going to your local government to fight the internet access monopolies and duopolies. It means voting with your wallet and not supporting the companies pushing for this. It means showing up to vote next time instead of staying home. It means educating your neighbors about what this will mean for all of us. Don't pretend we've exhausted all alternatives to violence -- we haven't. We've barely done a…

Voting with you wallet can only be done in a competitive market. That's why capitalists love to create oligopolies and monopolies.

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Post by bousaid »

nightski wrote: post #54
brian-armstrong wrote: post #22

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Call them. Write them. The internet comments don't really amount to much. But if you call or write, they will at least have a tally of how many complaints they've received. They may not see your complaint specifically but at least it counts, unlike internet complaints

I'm happy to do so. But in the end should we even need to do this crap? Isn't it just so obvious how bad this is that our representatives should be fighting it without calls? It just baffles me.

Yes, you need to. So many people have already and we all need more voices.

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Post by xpac »

dingaling wrote: post #225
xpac wrote: post #219

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Portugal. https://mobile.twitter.com/rokhanna/status/92370187109244108...

As was pointed-out repeatedly yesterday, those are add-ons for mobile data. You pay your base fee ( to access anything ) and you can then add particular bundles to get flat-rated access to certain websites. Or you can just continue to pay by the MB.

You're right on that.

One could draw a comparison between what these packages mean - they only bundle the big services, making it even harder for small alternatives to compete. Same would be possible if ISPs would start to play the big money game the other way round - serving faster access on cable lines, which I would view essentially as the "landline" version of free traffic on mobile connections.

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