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I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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post #18

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Mob support for NN does not justify it. There's a reason we let domain experts make technical decisions.

...And you believe that's what is happening with this decision?

If you mean we're letting domain experts decide on a technical issue, yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#52
post #16

>Reach out to the rest of the FCC now. Tell them they can’t take away internet openness without a fight. How? As this article mentions, their comment system had issues (spam and DDoS) and the only other avenue I've seen is to beg our representatives (who aren't part of the December vote) to do _something_. It was a clean and concise piece, but I was hoping that an insider would provide a new course of action. I've se…

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Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#53

It's probably futile, but you might sign this "Do Not Repeal Net Neutrality" [0] petition on the White House petitions site. It already has over 100,000 signatures -- the threshold at which the White House is supposed to, at minimum, respond to it. Since we can't vote on this and our representatives aren't voting on it either, it's worth a shot. [0]: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-not-repeal-net-...

There are plenty of absolute crackpot petitions on there at this stage that undermine the legitimacy of this one by being placed alongside it. I believe this motion is futile as well.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#54
post #16

>Reach out to the rest of the FCC now. Tell them they can’t take away internet openness without a fight. How? As this article mentions, their comment system had issues (spam and DDoS) and the only other avenue I've seen is to beg our representatives (who aren't part of the December vote) to do _something_. It was a clean and concise piece, but I was hoping that an insider would provide a new course of action. I've se…

Call them. Write them. The internet comments don't really amount to much. But if you call or write, they will at least have a tally of how many complaints they've received. They may not see your complaint specifically but at least it counts, unlike internet complaints

I'm happy to do so. But in the end should we even need to do this crap? Isn't it just so obvious how bad this is that our representatives should be fighting it without calls? It just baffles me.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#55

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Mob support for NN does not justify it. There's a reason we let domain experts make technical decisions.

Domain experts are overwhelmingly in favor of NN.

I disagree. The FCC has a myriad of advisors with comprehensive knowledge about internet regulation. I'm sure they're being consulted on this.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#56
post #48

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This may be about the Internet, but doing online "protest" will get us nowhere. Real protest means people going to the streets and making the government afraid of real violence. Other than that I don't see any way out.

Real protest means going to your local government to fight the internet access monopolies and duopolies. It means voting with your wallet and not supporting the companies pushing for this. It means showing up to vote next time instead of staying home. It means educating your neighbors about what this will mean for all of us. Don't pretend we've exhausted all alternatives to violence -- we haven't. We've barely done a…

Most of those have nothing to do with what “protest” means. It doesn’t just generically mean “participate in democracy”.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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post #47
post #32

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Actually, a weighted average shows 3 times as many against as for http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

Those appear to be economists, not Internet domain specialists. Less than half agree or strongly agree and in the weighted chart, a whopping 41% are Uncertain, which suggests they recognize that they don't know much about the subject. Many of the comments by Agree and Strongly Agree respondents indicate they don't understand the subject fully.

The relevant domain for regulations is economics. 45% agree or strongly agree compared to 14% disagree, which is a 3-1 ratio. Excluding the uncertain ones because they likely don't know much about the topic.

Could you give examples of what you think they don't understand?

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#58
post #16

>Reach out to the rest of the FCC now. Tell them they can’t take away internet openness without a fight. How? As this article mentions, their comment system had issues (spam and DDoS) and the only other avenue I've seen is to beg our representatives (who aren't part of the December vote) to do _something_. It was a clean and concise piece, but I was hoping that an insider would provide a new course of action. I've se…

This may be about the Internet, but doing online "protest" will get us nowhere. Real protest means people going to the streets and making the government afraid of real violence. Other than that I don't see any way out.

Unfortunately, Americans today are weak. Everyone is way too self-obsessed with their own pitiful, pathetic lives (family, jobs, house, creature comforts, etc.) to actually take to the streets and protest like their parents and grandparents did during the 60s to fight for their rights and those of others.

The Internet, despite its tremendous potential, has proven to be a massive liability, as it gives people the illusion that they have done something useful and constructive after they post angry comments on message boards such as this one. At the end of the day though the truth is this: political representatives will only really represent the populace if they are constantly worried about real backlash, such as if hundreds of people are gathered outside their office blocking access to vehicles, buildings, and so on.

On December 17th, 2010, Mohamed Bouazizi famously set himself on fire, which precipitated the Tunisian Revolution and the wider Arab Spring. At this rate, America is going to need equally brave and selfless individuals to make a stand and spark similar movements.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#59
post #34

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Well, people who are anti-NN would never voice their opinion in this climate. They will get downvoted to hell.

I recall trying to argue against NN years ago here and getting down voted. It's interesting that economists largely are against NN as well. http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

See my other comment, that's not what those charts say. Less than half of those economists surveyed think that net neutrality is bad policy.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

#60
post #26

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No, actually. If comments are largely against what a regulatory body is proposing to do, it can be used in court against the regulatory body in court to block the action. That just very, very rarely happens. When captured, regulatory agencies tend not to try to pass measures that very obviously go against public opinion, or are too complex to arise public wrath. This is a special situation that's only happening due t…

> This is a special situation that's only happening due to arrogance of the Trump administration Pai was nominated by Obama on McConnell's recommendation [1]. Trump only elevated him to Chairman. I'm curious about his personal motivations. Is it as simple as him having served as associate general counsel at Verizon? Is it a legalistic interpretation, that the FCC doesn't have the authority to regulate this? Or about…

It’s possible that he actually believes Net Neutrality is bad policy.

I’m for net neutrality but I at least recognize that it’s possible to disagree in good faith.

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