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Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Would you please un-kill this comment? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15753759

(sctb's request acknowledged, replying to a separate poster) Why vouch for a post demonstrating such creepiness? And making a strange ad-hom. Nothing worth resurrecting as a HN post. I'm not even one who had flagged it.

I'm asking to un-kill a comment calling out the creep.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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(sctb's request acknowledged, replying to a separate poster) Why vouch for a post demonstrating such creepiness? And making a strange ad-hom. Nothing worth resurrecting as a HN post. I'm not even one who had flagged it.

I'm asking to un-kill a comment calling out the creep.

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Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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(sctb's request acknowledged, replying to a separate poster) Why vouch for a post demonstrating such creepiness? And making a strange ad-hom. Nothing worth resurrecting as a HN post. I'm not even one who had flagged it.

I'm asking to un-kill a comment calling out the creep.

Sigh. Disingenuity aside, you don't need a visible post calling out an invisible one.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Precision is how fine a measurement is (i.e. being able to measure temperature to thousandths of degrees versus tenths), whereas accuracy is a measure of how closely your results much the objective truth. So you may have a very precise thermometer that measures to thousandths of degrees but it may not be accurate because it's calibrated such that it always reads exactly two degrees higher than it should. Meanwhile a…

I get it, these are specific definitions within a given field. I looked at the definition of both precision [1] and accurate [2] and each would use the other as a synonym, which made it a bit confusing as to what he was talking about. [1] pre·ci·sion: noun the quality, condition, or fact of being exact and accurate. [2]ac·cu·rate (of information, measurements, statistics, etc.) correct in all details; exact. "accurat…

Standard English dictionaries often don't have the precise definitions used in specific fields, which only leads to more confusion for laymen, but any good introductory Chemistry lab textbook should be able to get you up to speed on experimental science definitions.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Why does the article mention ketamine as a club drug? It's a terrible drug for clubs if anything.

Ketamine is a pretty popular club drug in Europe, but isn't used much for that purpose in North America (outside of very specific "scenes").

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Since they got the same effect with just a male worn shirt present, they should be able to isolate what chemicals cause this particular effect.

How?

If the shirt contains 50 chemicals, try each of them in isolation. For starters.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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The research is concerned with sex, not gender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Whatever the Holy Wikipedia says about the distinction, isn't it funny, not to say something else, that we use the same words for two/three concepts that are, supposedly, completely different and vary independently? I'm a male identifying as female expressing as male, aka sex:gender:gender-expression. Because, you know, people were so dumb until social-constructivism landed on Earth like the Messiah no-one expected.…

You've been making plenty of comments which violate the guidelines. Do you mind taking a look and then start posting civilly and substantively?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the re…

Are you actually implying that my making a joke is evidence of some deep dark secret about my sexuality?

Since you ask: it's not just me, it's science (also journalism documenting many recent and historic events) that says many homophobes are secretly gay, and it's also a popular and widely known trope and basis of many memes, which you should take into account next time you feel the irresistible urge make a homophobic joke without intending for people to assume you're a closeted gay.

Rule of thumb: If you're really not gay, and don't want people to think you're gay, then simply stop making homophobic jokes!

Your "joke" was essentially transphobic and homophobic at its core, and not even funny because it doesn't even make any sense, even if you accept all the built-in underlying assumptions (which themselves are quite transphobic and homophobic).

Using the word "gay" doesn't automatically make everything funny, unless you're a homophobe or a 12-year-old. If you really think you made a funny joke that somehow makes sense, then can you explain why it's funny, and which underlying assumptions it depends on? (Please don't. I'm just joking. It isn't funny, and you can't make it funny by trying to explain it.)

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AKA The Law of Inverse Homosexuality: The more vocally opposed a person is to homosexuality, the more likely they are to be gay themself and closeted about it.

He's the strongest, toughest, manliest man in the sports team. He might hate gays and be vocal, or even violent about it. He will remind everybody that he is completely, 100% straight. That is, during the daytime. When night falls, you can find him Where Everybody Knows Your Flame with the Club Kids and Gym Bunnies. He might be browsing Grindr with a headless torso pic. He's the self-loathing gay guy who hides behind a macho façade.

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The misconception that being Transgender is merely taking homosexuality one step further.

In Real Life, homosexuality and being transgender are entirely separate concepts, as they relate to two different things. Being gay or lesbian relates to sexual and romantic attraction, and means being attracted to others of the same sex. Being trans relates to gender identity, and means self-identifying as a gender different from your body's physical sexnote . This can be expressed as being "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice versa. However, this distinction is all too often overlooked by both straight and gay cisgendernote writers wanting to insert a little diversity into their stories.

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Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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You have to allow for some level of pragmatism. They found a method that seems to provide better data without actively biasing their results. Rodents make convenient test subjects, and no scientist wants (or more likely it doesn't even occur to them) to include an unproven methodology in their published work.

Are they publishing "make sure only [female name] handles the mice"? Or do they just publish, "X caused effect Y"? Frankly, identifying why it requires a female, or female non-cat owner sounds like it may be more interesting than whatever other result they are working on...

If results were thrown out because of a confounding factor then it would hopefully be mentioned in the paper.

I've had a similar thought about these little insights. There are literally thousands of times more biology undergrads than there are people doing biology research. Biological experiments are notoriously difficult to conduct. There are so many confounding variables, data is hard to collect, etc, that experiments bomb as often as they succeed.

A lot of these experiments are extremely well supported, so you might actually be able to discover something novel if you were able to track the failures.

Anyways, I don't do anything with biology anymore, but I strongly believe that biology is a field where citizen scientists could make a meaningful impact.

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In college we used to joke that animal behavior should be called animal misbehavior. We literally had one member of our lab group that could work with the mice and get sensible results. Neither of the guys could get any data that made sense, one of the women owned a cat and none of the results she had made any sense, and the fourth person (a woman) had no problem. I'm not sure if anybody suspected that rats reacted d…

interesting stuff, hope this was all documented in the papers derived from those experiments

I didn't go to a research University, and I'm fairly sure none of the staff used mice as a model organism. I think they were merely used in student experiments.

Now some of those students may have published work as part of their senior capstone, however it's pretty unlikely. You need a lot of knowledge to get to the point where you can publish something meaningful in biology. If you were to publish a work as an undergrad, you are probably working on a professor's project or with a less complicated topic.

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