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Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by ethagnawl »

Simon_says wrote: post #12
stevenwoo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's long been thought that a large percentage of studies on mice can not be replicated in humans because we are such different species but we use mice because it is cheap. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_mouse_t... Some larger animals might be somewhat closer but a.) much more expensive b.) more ethically challenging to kill/drug something more intelligent at the scale at which we do mice An acq…

I bought some live lobsters to kill (humanely, with a knife to the brain) and steam. I only had him in my custody for a couple hours, but I got attached. I had a bad experience thinking about taking a life, and it kinda fucked me up. I don't think I'll be doing it again. If I had to kill everything I ate, I'd be vegetarian. But I have no problem buying it at the store.

One of the experiences which led to me becoming a vegetarian was ordering a whole lobster and being forced to pick it apart bit by bit. It's easy to forget/dismiss that the "stuff" inside your lobster roll was ever a living, breathing, thinking being. However, when you're handed the whole animal, told to crack it open and stuff it into your mouth, it's a very different story.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#42

Post by DonHopkins »

ygaf wrote: post #40
DonHopkins wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pepe is an ancient 4chan meme too, but it has a very different specific meaning now. If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited, you should consider going back to 4chan, where you'll find a lot more stuff like that which appeals to you, and where you won't be so inconveniently expected to treat other people with decency and respect.

>If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited... You should be able to see that the first post is an opening for humour. Speaking of decency and respect, the word "trap", as opposed to being an insult, is a compliment elevating a subset of transsexuals. At the risk of making a deadly faux-pas like the flagged poster, trans people do aim to have the appearance of the opposite sex right?

Your questions aren't worthy of answers. Go back to 4chan, please.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#43

Post by fjsolwmv »

Simon_says wrote: post #12
stevenwoo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's long been thought that a large percentage of studies on mice can not be replicated in humans because we are such different species but we use mice because it is cheap. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_mouse_t... Some larger animals might be somewhat closer but a.) much more expensive b.) more ethically challenging to kill/drug something more intelligent at the scale at which we do mice An acq…

I bought some live lobsters to kill (humanely, with a knife to the brain) and steam. I only had him in my custody for a couple hours, but I got attached. I had a bad experience thinking about taking a life, and it kinda fucked me up. I don't think I'll be doing it again. If I had to kill everything I ate, I'd be vegetarian. But I have no problem buying it at the store.

Is that intellectually honest, to hide from the truth you know about your food?

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#44

Post by Fricken »

ethagnawl wrote: post #41
Simon_says wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought some live lobsters to kill (humanely, with a knife to the brain) and steam. I only had him in my custody for a couple hours, but I got attached. I had a bad experience thinking about taking a life, and it kinda fucked me up. I don't think I'll be doing it again. If I had to kill everything I ate, I'd be vegetarian. But I have no problem buying it at the store.

One of the experiences which led to me becoming a vegetarian was ordering a whole lobster and being forced to pick it apart bit by bit. It's easy to forget/dismiss that the "stuff" inside your lobster roll was ever a living, breathing, thinking being. However, when you're handed the whole animal, told to crack it open and stuff it into your mouth, it's a very different story.

Lobsters have about 100,000 neurons in their whole bodies. Less than half as many as an ant or fruit fly.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by leggomylibro »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #8

> She and Gould suspect that the antidepressant effect is the result of a specific interaction between ketamine and the male odour in the mouse brain. Wow, this is a really fascinating study, and goes to show how evaluating psychoactive drugs can be so difficult. There are so many confounding variables that it's very difficult to know what is causing an effect.

Yeah, just wait - ten years from now some organic chemist will be thinking about some weird nonsensical reaction like that and, that'll be the story of how Ultra-PCP was first discovered and synthesized.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#46

Post by [deleted] »

Taniwha wrote: post #3

Before anyone who didn't actually read the link goes off at it - this is a peer reviewed, repeated study - mice react to drugs differently depending on the sex of the researcher, don't in a fume hood, do always in a fume hood with a human male's t-shirt. It potentially plays havoc with ALL past experiments with rodents ...

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Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#47

Post by ygaf »

DonHopkins wrote: post #42
ygaf wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited... You should be able to see that the first post is an opening for humour. Speaking of decency and respect, the word "trap", as opposed to being an insult, is a compliment elevating a subset of transsexuals. At the risk of making a deadly faux-pas like the flagged poster, trans people do aim to have the appearance of the opposite sex right?

Your questions aren't worthy of answers. Go back to 4chan, please.

>still acting like I 'come from' 4chan

It must be great having cheap stock answers for everything. Flippant as I am, I was honestly curious about how you and another poster took the word "trap" as an insult to transsexuals. To me traps were a separate concept to transsexuals, a trap is something any man could be at any point in time. Forget the question about how you know Simon_says so well.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#48

Post by DonHopkins »

ygaf wrote: post #47
DonHopkins wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your questions aren't worthy of answers. Go back to 4chan, please.

>still acting like I 'come from' 4chan It must be great having cheap stock answers for everything. Flippant as I am, I was honestly curious about how you and another poster took the word "trap" as an insult to transsexuals. To me traps were a separate concept to transsexuals, a trap is something any man could be at any point in time. Forget the question about how you know Simon_says so well.

You said "haven't been there for years" which means you came from 4chan. So does your behavior, pretending you don't know the word "trap" or purposefully mis-gendering is an insult to transgender people. That bullshit doesn't play here. You still haven't asked any questions worth answering.

https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

>Defamatory Language

>Defamatory: "deceptive," "fooling," "pretending," "posing," "trap," or "masquerading"

>Gender identity is an integral part of a person's identity. Do not characterize transgender people as "deceptive," as "fooling" or "trapping" others, or as "pretending" to be, "posing" or "masquerading" as a man or a woman. Such descriptions are inaccurate, defamatory and insulting. (See "passing" and "stealth" as problematic terms above.)

Now you know. So stop pretending you didn't know before.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

#49

Post by wsc981 »

Taniwha wrote: post #3

Before anyone who didn't actually read the link goes off at it - this is a peer reviewed, repeated study - mice react to drugs differently depending on the sex of the researcher, don't in a fume hood, do always in a fume hood with a human male's t-shirt. It potentially plays havoc with ALL past experiments with rodents ...

But this doesn't make sense. Gender is a social construct.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by mark_edward »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #43
Simon_says wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought some live lobsters to kill (humanely, with a knife to the brain) and steam. I only had him in my custody for a couple hours, but I got attached. I had a bad experience thinking about taking a life, and it kinda fucked me up. I don't think I'll be doing it again. If I had to kill everything I ate, I'd be vegetarian. But I have no problem buying it at the store.

Is that intellectually honest, to hide from the truth you know about your food?

It's not, I feel the same way, but it's hard to be intellectually honest. I will be a vegetarian soon I think, it's been getting harder and harder to manage the dissonance since I got a dog.
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