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Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by stordoff »

DonHopkins wrote: post #17
chaosbutters314 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're an ass. Comments like this make me hate people. Why does it even matter what their sexuality is? And why does that group of people need a special name

It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the re…

> is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos

Wait, since when? The way it is phrased, and often the discussion it prompts, is certainly transphobic/homophobic, but any context I've seen it in (which hasn't been for a good few years) has been totally divorced from the alt-right. Did I miss it getting picked up by those groups at some point?

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by ygaf »

DonHopkins wrote: post #17
chaosbutters314 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're an ass. Comments like this make me hate people. Why does it even matter what their sexuality is? And why does that group of people need a special name

It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the re…

No, that's an ancient 4chan meme (source: haven't been there for years). It was a witty remark and not unsolicited. I'm wondering whether you've been digging through his profile just now, or you keep a list of people guilty of phrases like "I don't like my speech being dictated"?

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by gruez »

rdtsc wrote: post #18

It's interesting to think about what this could mean for people. We use these mice because they often are convenient models for humans. Are our moods are just as affected by combinations of lots of little things like these - smells, hormones, chemicals in the cleaners, hair products etc. On the scary side imagine being able to use this for evil. Spray something like this on your product to manipulate people's hormona…

>spray it to induce rage or hate for example

no need for provocteurs at pro^H^H^H riots anymore!

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by DonHopkins »

stordoff wrote: post #31
DonHopkins wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the re…

> is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos Wait, since when? The way it is phrased, and often the discussion it prompts, is certainly transphobic/homophobic, but any context I've seen it in (which hasn't been for a good few years) has been totally divorced from the alt-right. Did I miss it getting picked up by those groups at some point?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/traps

“Are Traps Gay?” is a satirical debate within otaku and alt-right online communities, attempting to determine if being attracted to a crossdressing man is an indication of homosexuality. This debate is often discussed alongside the discussions of anime and futanari character design. On February 21st, 2015, Redditor NyaaFlame posted a thread entitled “Why Liking Traps Isn’t Gay” to the /r/anime subreddit. Later that year, on July 31st, 2015 YouTuber king rad uploaded a video in which alt-right leader Milo Yiannopoulos" “Is it gay to like traps?”[1] Yiannopoulos appears to be hearing the term for the first time. On August 10, 2015, he uploaded a video to YouTube entitled “Judge Milo Decides: Are Traps Gay?” The video receives more than 74,900 views.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by DonHopkins »

thisacctforreal wrote: post #25
DonHopkins wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the re…

Sheesh, when did that start having alt-right connotations? It's a question anyone remotely into contemporary anime/manga would ponder.

Since you asked: August 10, 2015.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by DonHopkins »

ygaf wrote: post #32
DonHopkins wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the re…

No, that's an ancient 4chan meme (source: haven't been there for years). It was a witty remark and not unsolicited. I'm wondering whether you've been digging through his profile just now, or you keep a list of people guilty of phrases like "I don't like my speech being dictated"?

Pepe is an ancient 4chan meme too, but it has a very different specific meaning now.

If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited, you should consider going back to 4chan, where you'll find a lot more stuff like that which appeals to you, and where you won't be so inconveniently expected to treat other people with decency and respect.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by stuntkite »

Simon_says wrote: post #12
stevenwoo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's long been thought that a large percentage of studies on mice can not be replicated in humans because we are such different species but we use mice because it is cheap. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_mouse_t... Some larger animals might be somewhat closer but a.) much more expensive b.) more ethically challenging to kill/drug something more intelligent at the scale at which we do mice An acq…

I bought some live lobsters to kill (humanely, with a knife to the brain) and steam. I only had him in my custody for a couple hours, but I got attached. I had a bad experience thinking about taking a life, and it kinda fucked me up. I don't think I'll be doing it again. If I had to kill everything I ate, I'd be vegetarian. But I have no problem buying it at the store.

I watched a documentary on Horseshoe Crabs recently where the researchers were clearly very attached to their specimens talking about their personalities like they were nephews/nieces. I think they are a more bizarre thing than a lobster, but I'd never before thought giant seabugs could be cute. They are definitely cute.

That said, I'll put a lobster in a pot without hesitation. I like to put a cigarette in their claws beforehand like a last smoke before a firing squad. I appreciate their sacrifice for my butter drenched enjoyment.

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by aaavl2821 »

there is a published study showing that loud rock music cures type one diabetes in mice, along with 400-500 other therapies, none of which work in humans. There are two main vendors for these diabetic mice; for some reason, mice from one vendor develop diabetes at a different rate and certain kinds of studies work better in them. "Everything" cures cancer in mice. Skilled animal researchers can manipulate most mouse studies to skew results in their favor. But it is the best we have in many cases...

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by arkades »

Taniwha wrote: post #3

Before anyone who didn't actually read the link goes off at it - this is a peer reviewed, repeated study - mice react to drugs differently depending on the sex of the researcher, don't in a fume hood, do always in a fume hood with a human male's t-shirt. It potentially plays havoc with ALL past experiments with rodents ...

Hardly new. Feynman was criticizing psych research for this sort of thing - inadequate controls - half a century ago in his talk on Cargo Cult Science. http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

Re: Ketamine lifts rodents' mood only if administered by male researchers

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Post by ygaf »

DonHopkins wrote: post #36
ygaf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's an ancient 4chan meme (source: haven't been there for years). It was a witty remark and not unsolicited. I'm wondering whether you've been digging through his profile just now, or you keep a list of people guilty of phrases like "I don't like my speech being dictated"?

Pepe is an ancient 4chan meme too, but it has a very different specific meaning now. If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited, you should consider going back to 4chan, where you'll find a lot more stuff like that which appeals to you, and where you won't be so inconveniently expected to treat other people with decency and respect.

>If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited...

You should be able to see that the first post is an opening for humour. Speaking of decency and respect, the word "trap", as opposed to being an insult, is a compliment elevating a subset of transsexuals. At the risk of making a deadly faux-pas like the flagged poster, trans people do aim to have the appearance of the opposite sex right?

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