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Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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The title says "San Francisco" but the article only mentions "Mountain View, Cupertino or Palo Alto" ... ??? What kind of comparison is this?

It shows us that the poster didn't understand where he lived. That's OK; there are enough of us here, don't you think?

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

I'm not sure a little stop energy is such a bad thing. I'd say take their views with some salt...but Silicon Valley tends to be an echo-chamber. What's important in the valley isn't always important everywhere else. Unless your business/venture/idea is only targeted at people in the Bay Area, it pays to keep a little attention elsewhere.

Sure, but I and most of my friends and colleagues spend all day every day thinking about and working on things which could be described as "the future". The things I think are important are often things I think are going to be important 3 or more years down the road, and that's why I'm working on them. That potential may not be realized, but I can derive absolutely no value from talking about them with someone who refuses to look beyond the here and now.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Is san francisco ruby or python?

I don't know, but Boston is C++. Its mixture of hacker culture, hyper-IQ academia, and classical puritan social values is sort of like implementing closures with template metaprogramming and special #ifdefs everywhere for compiler backward compatibility. It's puritan social values plus academic liberalism plus nerds. It is backward compatible but not strictly a superset. Comparing cities to programming languages thre…

Do you think Boston is the best city for nerds? I'm looking for a genuinely pro-intellectual climate.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, but Boston is C++. Its mixture of hacker culture, hyper-IQ academia, and classical puritan social values is sort of like implementing closures with template metaprogramming and special #ifdefs everywhere for compiler backward compatibility. It's puritan social values plus academic liberalism plus nerds. It is backward compatible but not strictly a superset. Comparing cities to programming languages thre…

Do you think Boston is the best city for nerds? I'm looking for a genuinely pro-intellectual climate.

It's pro-intellectual, but it's also a bit stuffy and introverted.

If you like the quiet life, lots of academic options, and very tame social gatherings then Boston is for you. If you like excitement, extraverted social culture, and lots of new experiences then I'd look at SF.

Boston has some plusses: it's a walking city... possibly the only true walking city in the country (of any size). You do not need a car. It's ridiculously safe for a big urban area. Bostonians' idea of a bad neighborhood is one without a Starbucks in eye-shot. It's very economically healthy and has a lot of good high paying techie jobs.

But some of that could be said about SF too... just not the walking city part. (Well, SF proper can be handled without a car, but all the techie stuff is in the valley which is a car-centric suburb.)

Both are among the nicest cities in the country.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

You should have good responses to questions loaded with "stop energy" anyways.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

You should have good responses to questions loaded with "stop energy" anyways.

It makes for extremely tedious conversation. These aren't investors or customers I'm talking to.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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  San Francisco is fun, don’t get me wrong. Compared to New York, 
  it’s boring. I have trouble even thinking about living in an 
  apartment in Mountain View, Cupertino or Palo Alto. Those places 
  are socially dead.
Mountain View, Cupertino or Palo Alto are not San Francisco. It is like saying...

  New York City is fun, don’t get me wrong. Compared to San Francisco, 
  it’s boring. I have trouble even thinking about living in an apartment 
  in Staten ISland, East Rockaway or Westchester. Those places 
  are socially dead.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

The female to male ratio is an awesome point for living in NY, but if you're looking at it from the point of a good place to hack and build a startup - it's not really relevant. When you think about it, chasing tail takes time and energy that will distract your focus on your startup.

I'm from the east coast too. Been there, done that.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Another common gripe about California that I'll echo here: there's no weather! It may sound masochistic but I miss the seasons, the snow, wearing a scarf, sheltering inside with a cold nose and hands with something warm. The passing of the seasons gives life a constant pulse and direction. The eternal summers of CA get to be disorienting after a while.

San Francisco is fine You sure get lots of sun But I'm used to four seasons California's got but one http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/bob_dylan/california-lyri... Which shows how little time he actually spent in SF, of course. Mark Twain's famous line about the coldest winter he ever spent being a summer in San Francisco is a lot closer to the truth. Unfortunately, Twain never actually said that. The internet, dest…

With respect to Bob Dylan, the meteorological charm of the Bay Area (and SF in particular) is not in its seasons, but in the often dramatic changes between its microclimates. It's a much different phenomenon than the broad, homogenous and slowly cycling climate of the East Coast.
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