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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by ricpass »

GeekyBear wrote: post #72

If you do not want your Mac to automatically download updates: uncheck "Download newly available updates in the background" in the App Store section of your computer's Control Panel. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207251

I already had that setting disable and High Sierra Installer was downloaded automatically anyway.

The only option enable for me is "system data file and security updates".

BTW, if someone doesn't want to use terminal. It's possible to control all App Store downloads/install behavior on "System Preferences" > "App Store".

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by sctb »

MikusR wrote: post #79
proactivesvcs wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg to differ. Microsoft used underhand tactics to force Windows 10 on users, where at one point closing the upgrade prompt window by clicking the X at the top-right was taken as permission to install. The difference between Windows 8.1 and 10 was marked, particularly because when Windows 10 was first released it was extremely buggy, and the in-place installation broke swathes of drivers, programs and lost settings…

I understand that you have never used Windows, but the x at the top right means close that particular window and not yes or no.

Would you please not be so rude with other users? We're trying to have a discussion.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by gurkendoktor »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

The sibling posts seem to have had a better experience, but iOS 11 slowed down my beloved 5s to the point where I had to give up and order an iPhone SE. Apple wins again... Maybe that won't be enough though, as opening the camera can take 10+ seconds even on my iPad Pro.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by gurkendoktor »

wingerlang wrote: post #88
userbinator wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Apple software much but I understand that Xcode is Apple's equivalent to something like Visual Studio --- which takes several GB, but what exactly in Xcode needs 75GB? Does it somehow include all versions of iOS and macOS ever released?

I'd assume runtimes for various iOS systems (think 3gb for iOS 11, 3gb for iOS 11.1, 11.1.1 etc) from many many versions ago. Same with simulators. It is very very likely that he could just delete unused ones and cut it down to 20gb Xcode itself is ~5gb I think. Or 10.

My Xcode.app is 15 GB, and depending on how many different devices you connect, the iOS Device Support folder will balloon rather quickly. 75 GB sounds pretty high, though.

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Post by tedmiston »

sago wrote: post #73
tedmiston wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really a problem with Apple's approach here as much as using a limited cellular data plan on macOS which opens a whole can of worms since you can't easily restrict which apps, especially daemons, have network access like you (mostly) can on iOS. You also can't really restrict whether loading a simple web article these days is a 5 KB download or a 5 MB download. The desktop web is just not mindful of bandwi…

:D - My fault, of course! It has worked fine before. Most background stuff checks for updates, downloads small stuff, I figure If you're really saying we should all be fine with and expect multigigabyte downloads happening at arbitrary times, without our consent, then I think we have a very different model of computing ethics.

I didn't say it was your fault — I only clarified why the expectations you have don't align with the reality of OS X, and moreover any desktop operating system, today and over the past decade.

It may be worth re-reading my comment as I'm not arguing the interpretation you described: I didn't mention ethics and only described the reality of the situation we have today and one approach for addressing it.

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Post by Niten »

thunfischbrot wrote: post #77
krisdol wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 6s and regret upgrading to 11. Slow and unstable. Frankly I don’t do enough sketchy crap on the phone to care about security updates as much as I’m supposed to.

Sketchy crap like checking your mail?

Or like using Wi-Fi, given that iOS 10 will not be patched for the KRACK vulnerability.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by wyclif »

SyneRyder wrote: post #70
chris_wot wrote: post #20

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No, it’s the same really. Automatically downloading I’ve 5GB of data in the background without permission is some incredibly shady shit. There are people in Australia with data plans that this would literally still cost hundreds of dollars.

I often use my laptop with my mobile hotspot when I'm outside the house, and 5GB of data would cost me $50. Which is more than Apple used to charge to buy a MacOS X install DVD. Most months I only need $5 - $10 of mobile data. (Side note: I had no idea you can still buy Snow Leopard DVDs from Apple! Costs $30.99 including shipping:) https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-...

Gosh, I miss Snow Leopard now. The best OS Apple ever did, IMO. Super stable and totally about "getting shit done." In the years I was running it, I don't ever remember my system crashing.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by atomicnumber1 »

I see lots of complaints about High Sierra being buggy and pain in the butt. But I've had no such issues. Infact I've found it to be really polished and breeze(as was too be expected). So much so that I upgraded my file system to apfs. And mind you, I'm running Hackintosh. And, I seemlesly upgraded it from Sierra.

P.S. I'm sure now that I've mentioned it, something's about to go horribly wrong.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

bitexploder wrote: post #166
Joeri wrote: post #104

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This isn’t the first time on this merry-go-round. Snow leopard to lion was a downgrade in as many ways as it was an upgrade. I also remember reluctantly trading in NT4 for W2K. OS release quality isn’t a linear progression, it’s a sine wave.

And it is a flat wave :) Every time something improves something else gets worse. Except in Linux and maybe mobile OSes. Latest Android or iOS is objectively better, even with things that regressed.

Linux has had its share of regressions: KDE 3-> KDE 4 and the accompanying destructions of amazing apps like Amarok 1.4. Gnome 2 -> Gnome 3. The period where Ubuntu tried to replace everything with half-baked Mono apps, etc.
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