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Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#42
This is going to sound very harsh, but I think you need to hear it.

What you’re saying here comes across as extremely immature (even for someone who is 22). I don’t believe your perspective is beneficial for your own personal development, happiness or long term career sustainability. I also disagree with your characterization of both the industry and the people who work in it. To be blunt, it’s laughable to me that you, at your age and level of experience, can dismiss an entire industry as a “punk business” just because you personally don’t like it and disagree with how many people in it choose to work. And to be clear, rhis isn’t personal for me; I don’t work in web development and I have my own reservations about the long term outlook of various subfields in tech. But the way that you’re speaking about it, in both your tone and contempt, belies a hubris that is honestly mind boggling to me.

Yes, you’re technically right when you say that web development is inherently an “unscientific” field - but it’s not clear to me why this means that the field itself constitutes a “punk business”, or why its practitioners are “script kids”. Web development (and software development in general) exist in a continuum of engineering rigor. If you stepped outside your bubble, you’d see that there is a significant amount of 1) value contributed by the web development industry, 2) qualified practitioners who cannot be accurately described as “script kids”, 3) serious care in engineering excellent frontend interfaces, both in user experience and functional stability at scale. But the fact that you can’t see any of that indicates to me that you’ve either not spent a significant amount of time in the industry, not met people who take the craft very seriously, and essentially parrot the same criticisms everyone else has.

This is before I even get to your vapid, classist perspective on the incumbents of the tech industry. It sounds like you don’t have any passion for web development or medicine; what I’m inferring from the way you’re talking about the industry and the people in it is that you’re far more concerned with how difficult your work is perceived to be than how excellent and useful your work actually is. If you have a problem with people who have “blue-collar” mannerisms, you’re going to have serious difficulty interacting with a significant number of human beings who can’t simply be ignored. People are different, have different idiosyncrasies and generally enjoy different things. The way that you speak about them and their work is polarizing and will likely offend them if you’re as honest about your feelings as you are here.

In my opinion, you need to take a serious look at who you are as a person, who you want to be and what will make you happy. I suggest internalizing Bahamut’s comment in this thread as well. You’re espousing a very hypocritical worldview if it’s more important to you that a person dresses and speaks a certain way so as not to offend your civil sensibilities than that they are qualified and can produce excellent work in their field.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#43
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This post is so weird to me I can't even tell if it's serious or not First you say you're 22 yo and have been working for 10 years? You started working at 12? Weren't you supposed to go to school? Second, take it easy on blue collar culture. Web development, however crap you think it is, is nothing like working on an assembly line, both in terms of pay and in terms of fun. Plus you seem to equate blue collar culture…

> First you say you're 22 yo and have been working for 10 years? You started working at 12? Weren't you supposed to go to school?

They say that they've been focusing on web development for 10 years, not working. It's not so weird for someone to learn HTML at a young age, start making a website for someone, and eventually get paid gigs and grow their business.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#44
Well it sounds like you can afford the costs of medical school so just plan out your pre-med undergraduate requirements and get on it. There's nothing remarkable about being age 22 and many people have successful career transitions at far more advanced ages. It sounds like you're fishing for arguments to justify it to someone else and there's no need for that, if you're sick of webdev then do something else. It's your life, after all.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#45

I have been in software longer than you (I am 33) and my wife is a doctor. If you think being a programmer feels like "blue collar work", wait till you see what being a medical resident is like. Try getting paid $50k/yr, working 80-100 hours a week, and savoring the rare moment you get to take a coffee break or eat a lunch that doesn't come out of a vending machine. Serious "grass is greener" thinking going on in you…

OP's complaining about the lack of skill and scientific rigor rather than the working conditions, I think.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#47
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post #30

I agree with your description of web development work, I would personally find it very difficult to do that professionally because of the lack of rigor and blasé attitude to software quality. However, web development is not the only way you can make money by programming computers. I encourage you to look into either scientific programming or embedded software development. Your peers would be much more competent in th…

I'm a current CS student who's had a couple of backend internships and am interested in doing stuff with scientific computing in the future (likely wanting to go into grad school for this). In general, where can I find resources about the kinds of career starting points I can get into as someone with this kind of interest? It seems like the most popular kind of job with a bit more theoretical rigour than web dev is b…

Here's a list of broad fields within scientific computing that you can dig into:

* Numerical simulation: writing code to solve physical models (fluid dynamics, material stress, etc), optimizing them for a given goal

* High-performance computing: running those simulations or other compute-intensive task in a supercomputer (aka a bunch of computers networked together), using APIs like OpenMP

* Machine learning: training and using mathematical models to predict things about the world. Seems to be all the rage right now...

* Data visualization: how do we make sense of all of this data!?

To answer your question more directly, if you have a broad familiarity with some of the topics I listed above (and a natural curiosity and ability to learn, most importantly), you should be able to land a junior job and go from there. Think about the types of companies that use these things. E.g.: biomedical companies need lots of machine learning people, jet engine manufacturers use lots of numerical simulations.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#48
> They dress badly, they swear alot, simply they look like people from lower social classes.

Doctors swear plenty, but they generally avoid doing so in mixed company. As for dress, well, they effectively live in scrubs for up to a decade.

But they do indeed end up with much higher social capital than a typical software developer (even devs making equivalent to board-certified MD compensation) or skilled tradespeople, which is what I think you are getting at.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

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post #34
post #30

I agree with your description of web development work, I would personally find it very difficult to do that professionally because of the lack of rigor and blasé attitude to software quality. However, web development is not the only way you can make money by programming computers. I encourage you to look into either scientific programming or embedded software development. Your peers would be much more competent in th…

I'm a current CS student who's had a couple of backend internships and am interested in doing stuff with scientific computing in the future (likely wanting to go into grad school for this). In general, where can I find resources about the kinds of career starting points I can get into as someone with this kind of interest? It seems like the most popular kind of job with a bit more theoretical rigour than web dev is b…

read up on the faculty in your current school and if anything have done anything of interest to you then ask to discuss their field of research. college is the perfect time to explore the landscape and find out about the various sub-disciplines in a field like CS

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#50

I have been in software longer than you (I am 33) and my wife is a doctor. If you think being a programmer feels like "blue collar work", wait till you see what being a medical resident is like. Try getting paid $50k/yr, working 80-100 hours a week, and savoring the rare moment you get to take a coffee break or eat a lunch that doesn't come out of a vending machine. Serious "grass is greener" thinking going on in you…

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