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Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#31
Web development may get boring, I admit. That's why people go deeper into backend, devopsing, etc.

Certifications (and most uni diplomas TBH) in IT are generally bullshit so I'm happy we're, as an industry, relieved from that.

I have hard time trusting people who care about formal looks. A person with skills and dedication doesn't need to look like a good pet engineer.

> they swear alot, simply they look like people from lower social classes

The irony of criticising people for "looking like" "lower classes", while making mistakes like "alot".

Stop stigmatising blue-collar workers.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#32
I'm a little over decade older than you but I've been around this business a long time.

Web development has always had young, inexperienced people going into the business. Things have always been changing really little care for methodology.

Things are getting better, not worse. The amount of elitism this post drips with is semi-infuriating.

I come from nothing. A poor kid with a good brain who was lucky enough to school with the financial elite because of that brain. Shitty, single-parent; handmedown clothes and shit Christmases. I had to fight my ass off and struggle to even get this career. I couldn't afford to stay in college and I didn't have the right attitude to keep my grades up for scholarships. I worked a decade-plus of shitty, low-paying jobs. I've been working fulltime almost nonstop since I was 14. I had to pay for my own senior year of a high school I didn't want to be at. While I've almost always had a career in tech, I started my development career at 30.

I have a very blue-collar mentality. I dress badly. I swear a lot. I am from the lower social classes and I'm proud of where I come from and what I've done. My work differentiates me from my peers. I make great architectural decisions and I get things done. I'm your peer because of what I can do, not because of my class.

What have you done to get where you are today?

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#33
How was this voted up?

>developers becoming blue collar workers

This is possible only in the lowest most commodified positions. There will always be specialists, regardless of the number of libraries, frameworks or SAAS that exist. You most likely have not looked at the edges of what's being developed by those doing the real science and writing papers on their progress and experiments.

>web development with inexperienced people

You are a freelancer. Everyone can call themselves a freelancer and throw together a quick site to say what they can do. You've stated your specialty is being a generalist. This puts you at the easiest tier because "jack of all trades master of none" typically means you just glue libraries together that have been made specifically to cater to people who don't have the special knowledge required to make those libraries. This is not an infrastructure engineer. This is not a WebGL expert, this is not a computer vision specialist, this a not machine learning engineer, nor a data scientist, nor statistician. Your stuff has been generalized and simplified from the esoteric skill, knowledge and techniques of specialists that came before you. You have been standing solely on the shoulders of giants that hunched in front of computers before you and I were born.

>spending time in front of a computer

Congrats, you finally noticed. Here's another thing that a lot of people don't seem to notice until it's too late: The ones that get paid the most are the salesmen. They're the ones that can prove that they made the company money. When they bring a check through the door it hits the bottom line, they prove their worth that way. As such, the people who live in the nicest places in SF? The $MM condos closer to Pacific heights or the apartments near the ports? Executives or Sales. People people. The engineers working for relative peanuts are living 5 to an apartment. Sales eats what they kill, Executives are similar in that they bring people in who provide the meat. The two ways around are that your startup lottery ticket pays off for FU money (highly unlikely unless you spot winners better than VCs) or to work at a BigCo[1] and rise through the ranks as an engineer (likely if you get in and contribute hard).

>medicine

You're looking at credentialed blue collar workers. It's a step up, you have more specialized knowledge but unless you handle it correctly you may still be under the sway of the hospital you work for, not to mention the cost of becoming one. You would be a doctor. Respectable but given your disdain for your current situation you may become just as jaded with it in 15 years time.

I'm not sure why I wrote all of this.

[1] http://danluu.com/startup-tradeoffs/

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#34
post #30

I agree with your description of web development work, I would personally find it very difficult to do that professionally because of the lack of rigor and blasé attitude to software quality. However, web development is not the only way you can make money by programming computers. I encourage you to look into either scientific programming or embedded software development. Your peers would be much more competent in th…

I'm a current CS student who's had a couple of backend internships and am interested in doing stuff with scientific computing in the future (likely wanting to go into grad school for this).

In general, where can I find resources about the kinds of career starting points I can get into as someone with this kind of interest? It seems like the most popular kind of job with a bit more theoretical rigour than web dev is being a data scientist/machine learning engineer at a similar webdev sort of company.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#36

> They dress badly, they swear alot, simply they look like people from lower social classes That's a rather sweeping generalisation

Yep, and also literally classist. The fact that those things don't actually matter is a good thing imho. When programming, a guy from a country you don't even know can be as good as your "rockstar programmer".

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#37
There are more class barriers (and then, just the hard for any living human being ones) to becoming a doctor, it sounds like it would be a better fit if that is what your concern is.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#38
post #7

When you say thinking of a career change. Do you mean quitting the course of study you are currently on? If so can I suggest sticking with it till you graduate, then if you still want to pursue medicine the door is still open to you, but you haven't lost your current qualification for nothing. Edit: grammar

First, I want to finish my bachelor's degree in CS in 2018 not to throw away three years of studying without any proof.

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#39
Changing to medicine is going to be as tough as staying in Computer Science. Also, since you are 22, if you change to medicine it takes close to 7 years to complete, not mentioning whatever mastery you want to do. (At least around it it takes close to 7 years, don't know how long it takes in your country.)

Re: Ask HN: Career change at 22

#40
What makes you think medicine is not becoming blue-collarized the same way web development is?

What I would recommend is that you try to grow your business to the point where you have more work than you can do yourself, then start hiring people. When people work for you, you can impose standards on them with respect to how they do their work and how they conduct themselves. If social contact and elevated behavior are what you really care about (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that -- I care about those things myself) then the best way to advance that agenda is to be the boss, and the best way to get there is to leverage the skills you already have rather than start over in a totally new field.

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