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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by godzillabrennus »

* WARNING *

I upgraded at launch on my Mac Pro with an OEM Apple RAID card.

The installer will update your firmware then install. After install it won’t boot.

Turns out they forgot to put the drivers in for the Apple OEM raid card. High Sierra cannot see any drives attached through the card.

Apple claims to support these older Mac Pro computers for this upgrade but can’t give me an eta for when they will add support back in.

If you have an older Mac Pro your system will be bricked by this upgrade.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by intellix »

mailslot wrote: post #109

I've been a satisfied Mac user and developer for nearly two decades. Perhaps I'm lucky, but I never had a single OS update problem during this time. Not a one. Not until High Sierra. This update is so bad, I'm actually abandoning the platform entirely. I've been shopping for new PC hardware since I installed this disease.

Actually, I'm starting to get tempted into the new surface book which claims to be about 2x as powerful as the latest MBP.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by droidist2 »

scoot wrote: post #99
vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

> the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse It isn't the company that feels the need to stay relevant, it's the UI designers & developers. They have to keep changing thins to justify their existence.

I can't wait for skeuomorphism to come back in style so we can all reflexively say "eww" to flat interfaces as being out of date.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by threeseed »

newscracker wrote: post #98
sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

> High Sierra has the same lack of 'internal polish' as iOS 11, and as a result, it's going to leave a lot of users scratching their heads in anger. I've avoided upgrading to macOS High Sierra just to wait and see how it turns out. I'm less cautious with iOS, and am currently frustrated by two things in iOS 11: 1. The WiFi/Bluetooth radio behavior in Control Center (to compensate I use Siri to turn those off, but tha…

> echoing what some others have said over the last few years - the software quality and "it just works" mantra that Apple used to take pride in is gone

You and those people would be completely wrong. The quality has been about the same.

What you are doing is remembering OS releases when they were at the end of their cycle e.g. 10.4.11 instead of remembering them at the start. Right now we are at iOS 11.1 and OSX 10.13.1 i.e. the buggiest these releases will have ever been.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by threeseed »

copperx wrote: post #144
newscracker wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> High Sierra has the same lack of 'internal polish' as iOS 11, and as a result, it's going to leave a lot of users scratching their heads in anger. I've avoided upgrading to macOS High Sierra just to wait and see how it turns out. I'm less cautious with iOS, and am currently frustrated by two things in iOS 11: 1. The WiFi/Bluetooth radio behavior in Control Center (to compensate I use Siri to turn those off, but tha…

This slowdown has happened consistently in every release since iOS 6. Apple just optimizes the experience for the latest iDevices, which are always blazing fast, but then they slow down drastically as the years go by. This is either an engineering decision (let's just focus our efforts on the latest thing) -- but then optimizing the whole iOS would speed up ALL of the devices, wouldn't it?; an economic decision justi…

Seriously what are you talking about ?

Apple supports OSX 10.13 on seven year old devices and iOS on four year old devices. And the only reason they don't support it longer is because older devices aren't 64-bit. If it was an economic decision they would just match Android's support lifetimes.

Also I use a 17 inch 2011 every day and it's just as fast as it ever was.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by threeseed »

curun1r wrote: post #134
mbesto wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Part of me misses the days when getting an OS X update was an event that required a trip to an Apple Store to pick up Part of me misses updates like Snow Leopard where the only reason I wanted it was because it saved 7GB of HD space and improved performance. I would 100% buy OS updates that all they did was optimize existing code.

Especially since this "OS" is so far from being just that. In the tour of new features, the first 3 were about editing/organizing photos, then there were a bunch for a browser I don't use followed up by some changes to a mail client that isn't webmail. I'm sure High Sierra includes plenty of lower-level improvements too, but I fail to see why a photos app isn't an optional add on or distinct app from the app store, e…

Wow. You must have been upset for at over a decade now.

Because OSX has always shipped with applications. In fact every OS does.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by collectively »

userbinator wrote: post #65
collectively wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do for their own good? I see this as for the collective good, as most of the people hurt by unpatched software are NOT microsoft but people, small businesses, and the victims of the resulting botnets. Obviously if you know what this is you can turn it off.

The decision should ultimately be up to the user. This sort of subtle authoritarianism in the name of "security" is quite frankly extremely disturbing, and the companies are using it to force what they want by bundling plenty of other highly disruptive and completely-non-security changes too. I could go into a more political direction here, but looking at some of the other changes that have happened to society in gen…

I mean, I’d rather just not have internet connected devices at all. But the internet is a commons, and people who don’t patch ruin it for everyone.

But, there’s a difference between auto update by default and forced updates. And there’s, again, the option of buying the same thing with no internet connection—pretty much nothing you own needs to be connected to the internet at all.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by threeseed »

apostacy wrote: post #89
sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

After all the trouble you went through, would you really call your experience an "upgrade"? It sounds like you are barely tolerating upgrades. In terms of user experience, Apple has terrible UX because they impose on their users so much. There is no justification for what Apple is doing. They are downgrading and arguably damaging your computer, because 1) they are too lazy to support more than one operating system, 2…

1) Mac supports multiple operating systems through BootCamp.

2) Apple has a beta program if you want to see what beta releases actually look like. What Apple is doing is releasing updates in a more agile fashion i.e. more frequent at the expense of longer test/fix iterations.

3) Apple has no DRM on the Mac and on iOS it isn't about rights management. It's purely about not allowing side loading of apps to ensure security and privacy.

4 There are plenty of ways to put videos on an iPad that doesn't require iTunes nor an OS update.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by millisecond »

threeseed wrote: post #155
copperx wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This slowdown has happened consistently in every release since iOS 6. Apple just optimizes the experience for the latest iDevices, which are always blazing fast, but then they slow down drastically as the years go by. This is either an engineering decision (let's just focus our efforts on the latest thing) -- but then optimizing the whole iOS would speed up ALL of the devices, wouldn't it?; an economic decision justi…

Seriously what are you talking about ? Apple supports OSX 10.13 on seven year old devices and iOS on four year old devices. And the only reason they don't support it longer is because older devices aren't 64-bit. If it was an economic decision they would just match Android's support lifetimes. Also I use a 17 inch 2011 every day and it's just as fast as it ever was.

Support and optimize are two way different things. The cynic in me says they support those old devices for purposes of getting people to upgrade so their device slows way down and they have to purchase a new one. I know I’ve been caught in that a couple times.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by vlunkr »

userbinator wrote: post #100
vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

There's this other item currently on the front page, which is also relevant --- some users seem to want updates, regardless of whether it actually fixes thing for them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15727749 Personally, I abhor this continuous churn too; I'm a developer myself, but I'd rather spend the time to fix small things and in general drive towards that asymptotic stability than attempt huge breaking ch…

I used to think this way. Like downloading updates was making my computer better in mystical ways. Maybe it's just fun to get new things, even if you don't really know what they are. Years of using and developing software has given me a more pragmatic (or grumpy) outlook. It's the most annoying when something new comes along and somehow disrupts a productive workflow, I think that's why devs are so annoyed at Apple right now.
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