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Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Crontab »

blunte wrote: post #38

I regret upgrading. My Mac was wonderfully stable before the upgrade. Now it periodically crashes, as in full hard crash/reboot. Sometimes it fails to recognize one of my two external monitors, and when I wake it from screen saver or screen off (energy saver, but with laptop still running), it flashes the three displays a while and fumbles around trying to decide what goes where before _finally_ allowing me to unlock…

I have to say that I haven't noticed any issues so far - Firefox, VMWare Fusion, VLC, and Homebrew all work fine.

That said, I strongly disagree with forced version upgrades.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by chadcatlett »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

I have a 5S and recently had to upgrade so that a vendor would provide technical support. They stated they only provide support for their application running on the latest version of iOS that Apple supports for your device.

I had held off and finally upgraded as the app is fairly important to me and I wanted to get the issue resolved.

Now input is 10+ seconds lagged, everything is significantly slower and apps frequently run out of memory and I end up at the home screen.

Unfortunately the iOS upgrade didn’t fix the issue and I’m still dealing with the vendor.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Crontab »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #60
Niten wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You intend to use your phone for a year without installing any security updates? Some people like living dangerously, I guess. For the rest, it's a good thing iOS strongly encourages people to keep up to date.

Apple should be legally required to maintain the same level of functionality as before then.

I don't agree with that but they shouldn't be allowed to stop signing the old versions. People should be able to downgrade if they have a need or desire to do so.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by apostacy »

blunte wrote: post #38

I regret upgrading. My Mac was wonderfully stable before the upgrade. Now it periodically crashes, as in full hard crash/reboot. Sometimes it fails to recognize one of my two external monitors, and when I wake it from screen saver or screen off (energy saver, but with laptop still running), it flashes the three displays a while and fumbles around trying to decide what goes where before _finally_ allowing me to unlock…

You should always be weary of forced updates. People should really know never to trust software when it tries updating.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by walterbell »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

If you keep enough media on your phone so that free space < space required for iOS update, it won't be able to download the update or nag you about it. If it has already downloaded an update, delete it manually, then copy more media to your device.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by CharlesW »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

> I know it's going to be unbearably slow…

It's apparently a bit slower[1], but fine. And iOS 11 will see more optimization love in subsequent update.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-on-the-iphone...

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by danpalmer »

laurent123456 wrote: post #24
nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

This has became the new normal it seems. Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work (or to start it in the middle of the night and not switch it back off). This is purely something that these companies do for their own good without any regard for the user. They probably think "What are you going to do about it? Install Ubuntu?"

> Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work

To play devil's advocate, the system provides great APIs for preserving work during reboots (above and beyond just saving to files, full state restoration of all UI in the system frameworks). It's arguably only poorly designed software that does not do this.

I don't fully believe this, but it's one way of looking at it. For pro users, shouldn't be rebooting, for most users, they shouldn't notice.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by wingerlang »

userbinator wrote: post #58
bluedino wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Xcode install alone is 75GB Apple still sells a machine with a 128GB drive

I don't use Apple software much but I understand that Xcode is Apple's equivalent to something like Visual Studio --- which takes several GB, but what exactly in Xcode needs 75GB? Does it somehow include all versions of iOS and macOS ever released?

I'd assume runtimes for various iOS systems (think 3gb for iOS 11, 3gb for iOS 11.1, 11.1.1 etc) from many many versions ago. Same with simulators. It is very very likely that he could just delete unused ones and cut it down to 20gb

Xcode itself is ~5gb I think. Or 10.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by apostacy »

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

After all the trouble you went through, would you really call your experience an "upgrade"? It sounds like you are barely tolerating upgrades. In terms of user experience, Apple has terrible UX because they impose on their users so much.

There is no justification for what Apple is doing. They are downgrading and arguably damaging your computer, because 1) they are too lazy to support more than one operating system, 2) they want to use you as a beta tester 3) they want to ensure the integrity of their DRM ecosystem. It is the same reason that I am coerced into installing Sierra if I want to put a video on my iPad that they forced an iOS9 update onto (I would have to "upgrade" iTunes which requires that I update the OS).

Sadly, this has become a trend.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by vlunkr »

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the same boat: the feature list is uninteresting to most people, but the update is pushed on them, and there's a good change it will break your install/slow things down/break some apps. I haven't bothered updating to High Sierra, since after installing Sierra I was left wondering what I had gained. I disabled Siri after the first week of never using it.

Side note, it's annoying that Apple ties app updates to OS updates. One of the big selling points this time seems to be the new photo app stuff, like you can't just release that for everyone?

/rant

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