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Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by serhei »

apostacy wrote: post #89
sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

After all the trouble you went through, would you really call your experience an "upgrade"? It sounds like you are barely tolerating upgrades. In terms of user experience, Apple has terrible UX because they impose on their users so much. There is no justification for what Apple is doing. They are downgrading and arguably damaging your computer, because 1) they are too lazy to support more than one operating system, 2…

Apple has had a planned-obsolescence approach for years and years [1], but with the way software used to be distributed and the consumer expectations on hardware design it was less of a problem before. If you want to keep using an old Mac, there are plenty of OS install disks, copies of old shareware floating around, sites like Low End Mac which document what works and what doesn't. The hardware was also usually more repairable. I'm worried that current Macs in the age of App Store OS updates and glued battery will be rendered into expensive paperweights that much more certainly when Apple withdraws support.

[1]: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Diagnostic_Port.... -- "[Steve] would also rather have them buy a new 512K Mac instead of them buying more RAM from a third-party."

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

I have a 5S and iOS11 actually improved my phone's performance. The biggest hurdle for me was adjusting to the UI/UX changes.

I actually had issues with iOS10 where my phone was consistently full no matter how much I removed from it. I had to remove almost everything to upgrade, but once I did it had cleared up most of the memory on my phone. The OS took up more space, but it seemed to have optimized whatever excesses were consuming everything before.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by drivingmenuts »

I can live with automatic IOS upgrades, because at the end of the day, my phone will still function, even if I lose all the apps.

However, I lose my laptop ... I am screwed (I can't afford backups right now).

I also have software that I paid rather a large amount of money for (back when I could afford it) that is incompatible with High Sierra and I cannot afford to upgrade the software.

So, I'm kinda stuck between a rock and hard place here.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Joeri »

vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

This isn’t the first time on this merry-go-round. Snow leopard to lion was a downgrade in as many ways as it was an upgrade. I also remember reluctantly trading in NT4 for W2K. OS release quality isn’t a linear progression, it’s a sine wave.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by mrsteveman1 »

sidcool wrote: post #19

Since I updated to High Sierra, my Java plugins in Safari have stopped working. Now those are required for VPN connection. Apple support says to re-install macOS, but I am not convinced. Also there are some weird bugs popping up. What really rocks is the copy/paste. It's blazing fast.

> my Java plugins in Safari have stopped working. Now those are required for VPN connection.

Is it common for VPN access to be handled this way?

What's the advantage over issuing a certificate or just using a username+password?

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by serhei »

CharlesW wrote: post #86
jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

> I know it's going to be unbearably slow … It's apparently a bit slower[1], but fine. And iOS 11 will see more optimization love in subsequent update. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-on-the-iphone...

It's still completely illogical to install an update just to wait for another update to fix the problems introduced by the first update.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by mailslot »

I've been a satisfied Mac user and developer for nearly two decades.

Perhaps I'm lucky, but I never had a single OS update problem during this time. Not a one. Not until High Sierra.

This update is so bad, I'm actually abandoning the platform entirely. I've been shopping for new PC hardware since I installed this disease.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by sidcool »

mrsteveman1 wrote: post #105
sidcool wrote: post #19

Since I updated to High Sierra, my Java plugins in Safari have stopped working. Now those are required for VPN connection. Apple support says to re-install macOS, but I am not convinced. Also there are some weird bugs popping up. What really rocks is the copy/paste. It's blazing fast.

> my Java plugins in Safari have stopped working. Now those are required for VPN connection. Is it common for VPN access to be handled this way? What's the advantage over issuing a certificate or just using a username+password?

Yep, there needs to be a client side program to route all the traffic through VPN, isn't it? And while there may be better programs, Java is pretty much I know of as being used in many companies.
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