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Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by nolok »

nerdponx wrote: post #16
manyxcxi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve got a Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite as The Router for my house. Not sure if it does exactly per-device but if you enable it, it can show traffic per host/ip, site ‘category’, etc. It’s quite a nice little piece of kit. Speed-wise,it’s also very good. It’s plugged in directly to my FiOS and I’m maxing out my 150/150.

How is it possible to tell what category a piece of traffic is?

My router does it with a comprehensive list of (sub)domain => category. It may not have anywhere near 100% precision, but for the sake of what this subthread talked about, it good enough to know who eats your bandwith and for what.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by collectively »

laurent123456 wrote: post #24
nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

This has became the new normal it seems. Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work (or to start it in the middle of the night and not switch it back off). This is purely something that these companies do for their own good without any regard for the user. They probably think "What are you going to do about it? Install Ubuntu?"

Do for their own good? I see this as for the collective good, as most of the people hurt by unpatched software are NOT microsoft but people, small businesses, and the victims of the resulting botnets.

Obviously if you know what this is you can turn it off.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by ikeboy »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

Funny, my 5S still insists that the latest version is 10.3.3 when I check for updates.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Niten »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

You intend to use your phone for a year without installing any security updates?

Some people like living dangerously, I guess. For the rest, it's a good thing iOS strongly encourages people to keep up to date.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by masklinn »

dreen wrote: post #9

Our IT dept just sent us an email NOT to upgrade if OS asks. Wonder if the holdout is the new filesystem or something else?

I have not seen anything bad about the new FS, I have heard everything bad from the OS itself. I had held off of Sierra because it felt half-baked and hoped High Sierra to be a Snow Leopard/Mountain Lion/Cap, but it's really not looking good.

It does not help that I have one of the "dead dGPU" 2010 series, and with every new release I dread more and more that gfx won't be able to lock the system in "integrated only" mode.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by matt4077 »

donatj wrote: post #10

Given how much worse High Sierra has been for me performance and stability wise I’d be quite upset if I’d been tricked/forced into installing it. For instance activating accessibility zoom freezes the entire system for 5-10 seconds before it kicks in. It’s horrible. I am also regularly frustrated with file system changes taking up to 30 seconds to show up in Finder. I presume this is a side effect of APFS.

If we lay all these complaints of "the update is worse" end-to-end, from the first OS X to today, we'd get some sort of eternally crashing MC Escher OS :)

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by sago »

jmull wrote: post #23

This seems reasonable to me. An automatic download that size can be an issue in certain circumstances, but why is this blogger just assuming Apple hasn’t done anything to address that? E.g., perhaps it doesn’t automatically download if you’re low on disk space. Perhaps they’ve even done something clever to determine when it might cost you download tolls and avoid it then too. I mean, if you use the internet much at a…

They haven't.

I moved house three weeks ago, and was using a short-term cellular internet connection to stay in touch with emails, update version control, etc.

The automatic download blew through all my bandwidth, and I needed to top up.

I was able to control other downloads, no ads no video, etc. But I had no clue what had used all my bandwidth until it was done.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by blunte »

I regret upgrading. My Mac was wonderfully stable before the upgrade. Now it periodically crashes, as in full hard crash/reboot.

Sometimes it fails to recognize one of my two external monitors, and when I wake it from screen saver or screen off (energy saver, but with laptop still running), it flashes the three displays a while and fumbles around trying to decide what goes where before _finally_ allowing me to unlock. And after I unlock, all my windows have been rearranged and shoved onto one display.

I find no improvement or redeeming value in High Sierra. It's almost as bad as my new Windows 10 laptop next to it... in fact with the crashes it's now even worse.

Apple has been on the path of self destruction, dare I say, since Jobs died. He may have had some goofy ideas, but apparently his dictator like control and obsession with details was worth more than I realized. Sadly for us users, especially developers, we'll soon have no OS that works great all the time.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by bromuro »

chris_wot wrote: post #20
frik wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the pattern Apple is using there. But comparing it with Microsoft?!? Microsoft was a lot more aggressive and shady, and used a bunch of evil UI patterns, like installing it by clicking "Cancel" button. Or displaying a second start button that opens the shady installer instead of the start menu. macOS auto downloading is not right, but it is whole level below that. If you look at OS charts like on Steam,…

No, it’s the same really. Automatically downloading I’ve 5GB of data in the background without permission is some incredibly shady shit. There are people in Australia with data plans that this would literally still cost hundreds of dollars.

I live in Spain and I have a data-limited connection as well. I use Little Snitch to stop unwanted background downloads.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by code_duck »

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

I haven't been unpleasantly surprised by an iOS upgrades in the past, despite what I've heard. This one does sound particularly warty though, so while I'll install 11 eventually i'm waiting for them to advance a few minor versions.
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