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Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Cacti »

Waterluvian wrote: post #6
slobotron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complaint is more about unprompted 5.3GB download.

I'm not upset with any one device because I'm sure they all have an option to disable auto download. But there is now so much auto downloading that goes on in my house (I can think of 15 devices top of my head) that my wifi often can't reliably stream Twitch or YouTube. I think I'm at the point in the tech story of my home that I would love a UI that shows total and per-device usage history. With knobs to throttle ea…

Your router doesn't show this? It should also have throttling and QoS options. If it doesn't, investigate buying a new router.

If it's a few years old, you may want to also verify that it can actually route fast enough for your incoming pipe.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by manyxcxi »

Waterluvian wrote: post #6
slobotron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complaint is more about unprompted 5.3GB download.

I'm not upset with any one device because I'm sure they all have an option to disable auto download. But there is now so much auto downloading that goes on in my house (I can think of 15 devices top of my head) that my wifi often can't reliably stream Twitch or YouTube. I think I'm at the point in the tech story of my home that I would love a UI that shows total and per-device usage history. With knobs to throttle ea…

I’ve got a Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite as The Router for my house. Not sure if it does exactly per-device but if you enable it, it can show traffic per host/ip, site ‘category’, etc. It’s quite a nice little piece of kit.

Speed-wise,it’s also very good. It’s plugged in directly to my FiOS and I’m maxing out my 150/150.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by sarreph »

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades.

I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are frustrated by this issue alone, not to mention their apps breaking as a result of a 'forced' upgrade!

High Sierra has the same lack of 'internal polish' as iOS 11, and as a result, it's going to leave a lot of users scratching their heads in anger.

Part of me misses the days when getting an OS X update was an event that required a trip to an Apple Store to pick up (read: pay) a DVD :)

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by nerdponx »

manyxcxi wrote: post #12
Waterluvian wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not upset with any one device because I'm sure they all have an option to disable auto download. But there is now so much auto downloading that goes on in my house (I can think of 15 devices top of my head) that my wifi often can't reliably stream Twitch or YouTube. I think I'm at the point in the tech story of my home that I would love a UI that shows total and per-device usage history. With knobs to throttle ea…

I’ve got a Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite as The Router for my house. Not sure if it does exactly per-device but if you enable it, it can show traffic per host/ip, site ‘category’, etc. It’s quite a nice little piece of kit. Speed-wise,it’s also very good. It’s plugged in directly to my FiOS and I’m maxing out my 150/150.

How is it possible to tell what category a piece of traffic is?

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Overtonwindow »

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by frik »

nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

I don't like the pattern Apple is using there. But comparing it with Microsoft?!?

Microsoft was a lot more aggressive and shady, and used a bunch of evil UI patterns, like installing it by clicking "Cancel" button. Or displaying a second start button that opens the shady installer instead of the start menu. macOS auto downloading is not right, but it is whole level below that.

If you look at OS charts like on Steam, 64% still on Win7, many reverted back, because Win10 (29%) is shit and full of dark patterns, and Win7 is the new XP. In the last few months the install base of Win7 increased whereas Win10 decreased (I was one of them). http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/?platform=pc and https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-7-user-base-on-steam-con...

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by sidcool »

Since I updated to High Sierra, my Java plugins in Safari have stopped working. Now those are required for VPN connection. Apple support says to re-install macOS, but I am not convinced. Also there are some weird bugs popping up.

What really rocks is the copy/paste. It's blazing fast.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by chris_wot »

frik wrote: post #18
nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

I don't like the pattern Apple is using there. But comparing it with Microsoft?!? Microsoft was a lot more aggressive and shady, and used a bunch of evil UI patterns, like installing it by clicking "Cancel" button. Or displaying a second start button that opens the shady installer instead of the start menu. macOS auto downloading is not right, but it is whole level below that. If you look at OS charts like on Steam,…

No, it’s the same really. Automatically downloading I’ve 5GB of data in the background without permission is some incredibly shady shit. There are people in Australia with data plans that this would literally still cost hundreds of dollars.
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