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Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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Post by jargon »

mrduncan wrote: post #22
jargon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I know the "rules". Point is, everything at big think is a video. Funny how I had 21 karma points before I posted that comment, which got 4 down votes and another comment got 3 upvotes, but now I have 15 karma points. How does 21 - 4 + 3 = 15?

A score of -4 is actually -5 karma points (since everything starts at 1 point). Here's a tip though - you can't cash it in for prizes, don't worry about it.

And 1 point is actually zero. Now I'm down to 4, so 15 minus "5" plus 2 = 4 in hackernews math?

For the record, I don't care about karma points, I care about whether or not the system works correctly.

Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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judofyr wrote: post #19
jargon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I know the "rules". Point is, everything at big think is a video. Funny how I had 21 karma points before I posted that comment, which got 4 down votes and another comment got 3 upvotes, but now I have 15 karma points. How does 21 - 4 + 3 = 15?

1) I've never heard of BigThink.com before. 2) I very often open many links without thinking about which domain it's on. 3) A post's karma will never show below -4, even though the real karma could be way lower.

Months ago -8 was the limit. Really, what's the point in limiting the display to -4 if it's really minus n? Why not just show minus n?

Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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Post by ra88it »

Who cares about the percentage of shit in the app store? It's not like you have to sift through all the apps manually. Think about all the web pages on the internet. Does the web have a better batting average than the app store? Does it matter?

The only pragmatic argument against Apple's app store policies (IMO), is that companies cannot be confident enough to invest heavily in an application that has yet to be approved by Apple. But I don't know for sure that this is a big problem. I'm watching the Android marketplace closely, and I'm not convinced that Apple should change course yet.

Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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Post by WiseWeasel »

patrickaljord wrote: post #14
WiseWeasel wrote: post #13

The headline is flamebait, but the content of the interview is quite insightful. I agree completely that serious competition (both in unit sales and user experience) is badly needed, and sorely lacking at the moment. Here's hoping HP is able to bust some moves with the WebOS platform; shake things up a bit.

> sorely lacking I think you forgot about android.

Nope, handset vendors are screwing that platform up, with junkware you can't delete, customized interfaces (often for the worse), locked down firmware, reluctance to support Android OS updates, etc.

Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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Post by chwahoo »

[deleted] wrote: post #28

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I think DHH shares your understanding of Apple's motives (although he stated it less precisely), but argues that -- if there is a big benefit to using Apple's tools -- someone will do that and create the better app. Why stop folks from creating a mediocre app that happens to be written in a cross-platform way? There are lots of apps that are mediocre and/or slow to incorporate new features anyway.

Are you suggesting that Firefox and Eclipse are lacking in some way because they are built for multiple platforms and would be much better if they were written for a single platform to take advantage of the latest windows or mac os features? I don't share that view. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I think the existence of apps like Firefox and Eclipse are a strong argument against Apple's policy (at least from the perspective of end-users).

Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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Post by chwahoo »

chwahoo wrote: post #38
[deleted] wrote: post #28

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I think DHH shares your understanding of Apple's motives (although he stated it less precisely), but argues that -- if there is a big benefit to using Apple's tools -- someone will do that and create the better app. Why stop folks from creating a mediocre app that happens to be written in a cross-platform way? There are lots of apps that are mediocre and/or slow to incorporate new features anyway. Are you suggesting…

Sorry protomyth - yours is not the message I was replying to. I'm not sure what happened there!?!

Re: DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit

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Post by tvon »

chwahoo wrote: post #38
[deleted] wrote: post #28

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I think DHH shares your understanding of Apple's motives (although he stated it less precisely), but argues that -- if there is a big benefit to using Apple's tools -- someone will do that and create the better app. Why stop folks from creating a mediocre app that happens to be written in a cross-platform way? There are lots of apps that are mediocre and/or slow to incorporate new features anyway. Are you suggesting…

Sorry, I decided my comment wasn't especially useful and deleted it, but I didn't see it had a response. For the record, it was:

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> I mean, I read the supposed reasons for why this would happen, oh, if we allowed cross-platformed tools then only shitty applications will be made, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

That is completely incorrect. Jobs said that a cross platform app is worse at integrating with the system than native apps and slower to gain the benefits of OS updates (if they ever do).

I'd like to see someone demonstrate this to be untrue, but looking at Firefox and Eclipse it seems to be dead-on accurate.

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