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If you click the discuss links, you get a transcript. Here's the stuff on Apple: http://bigthink.com/ideas/21603
Thanks, I would not have thought of that.
DHH: Appstore is a warehouse of shit
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#12"Have you so little faith in the marketplace?"
The whole Adobe saga has greatly influenced Apple's thinking on the cross-platform that I think they have more faith in their belief that 3rd party companies will make economic decisions on development that keep the unique features of iOS from being used. Forcing a set of tools to be used removes this choice from a bean counter.
Do I really like this situation? No, not really. I like Objective-C, C++, and C, but I would like some more choice. The crux is that any platform improvements (from what seems to be Apple's point of view) need to be supported fully in the tool. I am encourages by the ability to embed Lua, but I would love to see other things.
Just a theoretical, I do wonder sometimes if a person were to add a language to clang would it get added to the shipped tools from Apple.
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#13The headline is flamebait, but the content of the interview is quite insightful. I agree completely that serious competition (both in unit sales and user experience) is badly needed, and sorely lacking at the moment. Here's hoping HP is able to bust some moves with the WebOS platform; shake things up a bit.
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#14The headline is flamebait, but the content of the interview is quite insightful. I agree completely that serious competition (both in unit sales and user experience) is badly needed, and sorely lacking at the moment. Here's hoping HP is able to bust some moves with the WebOS platform; shake things up a bit.
> sorely lacking
I think you forgot about android.
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#15The Appstore is full of crap because apple won't pre-approve things, so no one will risk doing "big" things as they're afraid of rejection. If you spend 200k of your company's money then Apple rejects you and refuses to publish your app, then you lose your job in most companies. I have this conversation with large large companies over and over.
Your point is very valid, and I would imagine that prevents really high-quality and groundbreaking applications to be built. However that would not explain why a majority of applications are sub-par quality.
If I was a developer and wanted to make a lot of money, I would either go ahead and build a perfect, innovative app and market it well, or basically churn out app-after-app, which is cheap, redundant and has very little difference between each one.
I haven't personally used the app store much, but from what I saw, a lot of the newly produced applications were merely a bunch of titillating pictures, or a glorified unit converter.
I've seen and read about people make huge amounts of money from applications and websites which offer little or no content, but capitalize on knowledge of what people are looking for - and by doing this in very large and persistent quantities.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
everything at bigthink is a video.
From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : If you submit a link to a video or pdf, please warn us by appending [video] or [pdf] to the title.
Yeah, I know the "rules". Point is, everything at big think is a video.
Funny how I had 21 karma points before I posted that comment, which got 4 down votes and another comment got 3 upvotes, but now I have 15 karma points.
How does 21 - 4 + 3 = 15?
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#17I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeons_Law is pretty applicable here.
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#18I broadly agree with DHH, but the "warehouse of shit" argument is a bad one, and has been whenever anyone has tried to make it. The argument basically goes like this:
- Apple restricts what languages can be used to increase the quality
of apps in the App Store.
- But the App Store is full of crap.
- Therefore, the restriction does no good, and should be abandoned.
From Apple's perspective, the restriction is a particularly efficient one, because it prevents a lot of crap from entering, not just the App Store, but the review process. Because violating the language restriction can be easily and objectively determined, hardly anyone will try to get away with it. Imposing higher standards for app quality, by comparison, requires lots of subjective judgments, which are far less effective at deterrence and generate far more controversy. The existing standards and their enforcement are frustrating and arbitrary enough as it is.
To his credit, DHH emphasizes letting the marketplace work things out over the "warehouse of shit" argument, which I consider more persuasive. It's just too bad the latter is getting the attention.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : If you submit a link to a video or pdf, please warn us by appending [video] or [pdf] to the title.
Yeah, I know the "rules". Point is, everything at big think is a video. Funny how I had 21 karma points before I posted that comment, which got 4 down votes and another comment got 3 upvotes, but now I have 15 karma points. How does 21 - 4 + 3 = 15?
1) I've never heard of BigThink.com before.
2) I very often open many links without thinking about which domain it's on.
3) A post's karma will never show below -4, even though the real karma could be way lower.
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#20All I see is a message that says "This video is not authorized for playback on this device". I'm using an iPhone to try and view the page. Not sure what content the video has, but I'm pretty confident I'm no longer interested.
Is that supposed to be ironic?