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The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by todayiamme »

murtnowski wrote: post #16
yardie wrote: post #9

I find this article beautifully ironic. Climate change denying executives have homes and offices flooded by climate changed storm water.

Why? Houston was been flooded several times before. Particularly in 1929 and 1935 when the county finally decided to form a flood control agency. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County_Flood_Control_... Climate change is real, but if every time we get bad weather you call it that it’s a little like crying wolf.

Except the argument isn't about the frequency of storms nor the occurrence of a severe storm, but the increase in frequency of severe storms. Essentially, if we put more energy into the system, then we shouldn't be surprised if more energy is outputted as a result of the same system.

> A sustained upward trend is found between the global proportion of Cat 4–5 hurricanes and ACCI (Fig. 4), balanced by a similar decrease in Cat 1–2 hurricanes. The results are independent of the choice of models to calculate the ACCI as can be seen by comparing Fig. 4a and b. In both cases the ACCI explains 80–85 % of the variance in the smoothed annual hurricane proportions with p Diagram: https://static-content.springer.com/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs0...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00382-013-1713-0

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by gmac »

briandear wrote: post #27
yardie wrote: post #9

I find this article beautifully ironic. Climate change denying executives have homes and offices flooded by climate changed storm water.

Was this flood caused by climate change? There were massive floods in Houston long before there was even a city: the town was built on a swamp. The difference now is that there is more concrete and also more places to flood. 200 years ago, where massive floods caused by climate change? Possibly. But was human-created CO2 to blame? Not at all. Attributing everything to climate change is getting silly. It’s not differe…

The problem is that the public discourse cannot handle risk. If climate change makes big weather-related disasters X% more likely, even for large X it remains impossible to state whether climate change 'caused' any particular disaster.

(I consider the rest of your post FUD).

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by cma »

zzzeek wrote: post #6

> total damages claimed could reach $10 billion or more, especially if the big energy and oil companies—whose presence in one section of West Houston gave it the nickname the Energy Corridor—sue over their flooded headquarters. the irony that the home neighborhood of many of the worlds largest oil companies would want to sue because the global warming they're at the core of causing contributed towards the damage of t…

I'm sure the suit will just ask for FEMA trailers for everyone.

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by freeloop3 »

jasonmaydie wrote: post #28
lostboys67 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say it serves them right (rich people) for building in a flood plain - it's normally the newer less nice areas that get flooded in the UK - as in the past they where considered to risky

technically every location can become a flooding plane if you build a man-made dam in that geographic location

technically not true because there needs to be water to dam for the plane to be flooded.

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by _jal »

cma wrote: post #33
zzzeek wrote: post #6

> total damages claimed could reach $10 billion or more, especially if the big energy and oil companies—whose presence in one section of West Houston gave it the nickname the Energy Corridor—sue over their flooded headquarters. the irony that the home neighborhood of many of the worlds largest oil companies would want to sue because the global warming they're at the core of causing contributed towards the damage of t…

I'm sure the suit will just ask for FEMA trailers for everyone.

A two-person company with the right friends can make this right in a jiff. If they can fix PR, they can fix Houston, right?

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by briandear »

zzzeek wrote: post #6

> total damages claimed could reach $10 billion or more, especially if the big energy and oil companies—whose presence in one section of West Houston gave it the nickname the Energy Corridor—sue over their flooded headquarters. the irony that the home neighborhood of many of the worlds largest oil companies would want to sue because the global warming they're at the core of causing contributed towards the damage of t…

Crazy. All those oil companies forcing you to buy stuff that gets transported by trucks that use oil. You’re blaming the drug dealers for people choosing to shoot heroin.

Feel free to stop consuming oil. Even your Tesla has plastics made from oil and uses power generated using oil. If you buy a single thing made in China, you are buying products generally made using coal-fired electricity. Unless you live in a grass hut, you are part of the “problem.”

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by creaghpatr »

ocschwar wrote: post #35

The only real problem is that this was a decision made ad hoc. People whose neighborhoods are likely to be flooded by such a decision should know years in advance that they are designated for it.

I had a friend in Houston who knew well in advance that his street was in the splash zone, so to speak. He got out way before it became bad but his building was later completely destroyed (he was a renter so it couldve been much worse.

Re: The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else

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Post by thedaemon »

parenthephobia wrote: post #30
danschumann wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets say you lose 10000 dollars worth of paper clips. Big deal, buy more. But if you lose 10000 dollars worth of photos, computers, files, etc, it is a big deal because they are harder to replace.

People are harder to replace than houses.

There are more people born each day (400,000 a day) than there are houses built each day (4,657 a day). So I'd say no, houses are harder to replace than people.
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