What a weirdly nice pick-me-up of a headline in this day and age here. Thoughts and prayers to the homeowners
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The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else
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#22People are cheering at this, but what if we raise the stakes a little: The government lined up 50 random people and executed them, to appease a foreign government that was holding 500x people captive. We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different? Scape goat. Since it is property, the engineers probably assumed they'd be sued, and I bet they knew exactly what they were doing,…
> We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different?
If we'd be talking paperclips vs paperclips would that be morally similar? Or is the monetary value of houses somehow large enough to justify a similarity to human lives?
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#23People are cheering at this, but what if we raise the stakes a little: The government lined up 50 random people and executed them, to appease a foreign government that was holding 500x people captive. We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different? Scape goat. Since it is property, the engineers probably assumed they'd be sued, and I bet they knew exactly what they were doing,…
You could say it serves them right (rich people) for building in a flood plain - it's normally the newer less nice areas that get flooded in the UK - as in the past they where considered to risky
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#24Looks like a variant of the trolley problem, with the water playing the part of the trolley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
When I worked in London near London bridge years ago one of the reasons we had two datacentres (with a whopping 10Mbs link) was they where worried about the Thames flooding our building - that was before the barrier was finished.
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#25Looks like a variant of the trolley problem, with the water playing the part of the trolley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
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#26People are cheering at this, but what if we raise the stakes a little: The government lined up 50 random people and executed them, to appease a foreign government that was holding 500x people captive. We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different? Scape goat. Since it is property, the engineers probably assumed they'd be sued, and I bet they knew exactly what they were doing,…
> We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different? If we'd be talking paperclips vs paperclips would that be morally similar? Or is the monetary value of houses somehow large enough to justify a similarity to human lives?
Lets say you lose 10000 dollars worth of paper clips. Big deal, buy more. But if you lose 10000 dollars worth of photos, computers, files, etc, it is a big deal because they are harder to replace.
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#27I find this article beautifully ironic. Climate change denying executives have homes and offices flooded by climate changed storm water.
Was this flood caused by climate change? There were massive floods in Houston long before there was even a city: the town was built on a swamp. The difference now is that there is more concrete and also more places to flood.
200 years ago, where massive floods caused by climate change? Possibly. But was human-created CO2 to blame? Not at all.
Attributing everything to climate change is getting silly. It’s not different that highly religious people attributing everything that happens as “God’s will.”
If there are no big storms for 10 years it’s because of climate change. If there are lots of big storms, that too is climate change.
Climate change acolytes seem to ignore the effects of El Niño and other cyclical changes that have far more impact that temperature rising a degree.
Climate change risk has been overestimated — at least for the near term. The catastophists promised fully melted ice caps by 2016. Islands were supposed to be underwater by now, but what has the actual sea level rise been?
Climate change people aren’t actually concerned about climate — they don’t like the means of production being controlled by old-guard capitalist oil interests. It’s no coincidence that climate change people are almost universally leftists — redistributing the means of production is their obsession; climate change hysteria is just a means to achieve that end.
Do people on the right actually want weather catastrophes? We live on this planet too you know. Is every single one of us who are skeptical of human caused warming actually stupid? Are we all secretly suicidal? Or is it possible that skepticism is based on a long history of pop-science actually having unintended consequences? Eugenics, for example, was widely supported by the most progressive minds in early 20th century history. It was “settled science” and we were warned of catastrophic human consequences if we denied the benefits of eugenics. Read newspapers and writings from that era.
Climate change skeptics aren’t stupid; we just choose to consider unintended consequences when it comes to making policy for the planet. We are also skeptical of organizations with an awowed goal of Marxist redistribution who, as an aside are magically concerned about climate change which, the solution of which requires destruction of capitalism.
The coincidence of global warming hysteria beginning right as the Soviet Union began to collapse is too vivid to ignore. It’s almost as if the failures of communism were attributed to people not having an Eastasia (or was it Eurasia) as a common enemy. Climate calamity is a convinient common enemy to distract is from the goings on at the Ministry of Love.
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#28People are cheering at this, but what if we raise the stakes a little: The government lined up 50 random people and executed them, to appease a foreign government that was holding 500x people captive. We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different? Scape goat. Since it is property, the engineers probably assumed they'd be sued, and I bet they knew exactly what they were doing,…
You could say it serves them right (rich people) for building in a flood plain - it's normally the newer less nice areas that get flooded in the UK - as in the past they where considered to risky
technically every location can become a flooding plane if you build a man-made dam in that geographic location
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#29I find this article beautifully ironic. Climate change denying executives have homes and offices flooded by climate changed storm water.
Why? Houston was been flooded several times before. Particularly in 1929 and 1935 when the county finally decided to form a flood control agency. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County_Flood_Control_... Climate change is real, but if every time we get bad weather you call it that it’s a little like crying wolf.
Not only that, but wasn't that hurricane demonstrated to have formed over waters that were at normal temperature levels?
If anything, that sort of comment actively hurts the cause.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're talking houses vs houses, not people vs people, but how is the morality different? If we'd be talking paperclips vs paperclips would that be morally similar? Or is the monetary value of houses somehow large enough to justify a similarity to human lives?
Lets say you lose 10000 dollars worth of paper clips. Big deal, buy more. But if you lose 10000 dollars worth of photos, computers, files, etc, it is a big deal because they are harder to replace.
People are harder to replace than houses.