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Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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I wanted to throw my money at Dell last year. I wanted the top of the line XPS laptop with Linux. But I needed it quick. At that point, at least, Dell were building them to order in China. Two weeks plus shipping for the UK market. I'm not sure if this is the same for their other models but I bet there's a big pile of Windows machines sitting in an EU warehouse. To add insult to injury, I asked if they could improve…

It's a pity they're not stocked more by third party retailers, that would have sorted your issue out. I had a similar issue with the warranty, because I was a bit uncertain about the coil whine issue, I preferred to buy from a retailer rather than directly from Dell (who don't have a clear no-questions-asked return window), but the Linux laptops aren't available from other major shops in the UK. There must be a lot of people who have bought the Windows laptops and installed Linux themselves. The oddity is those purchases are based on the existence of the Sputnik programme, but Dell presumably won't be able to account for them on that basis.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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post #17

As a 20 year Linux user I really appreciate Dells support in proving the market exists. This improved support across all manufacturers. I've recently acquired a HP Envy 13 2017 laptop with Windows preinstalled. I've really wanted to try Windows out, but after installing Google Chrome and Docker (1hr after starting it up) it stopped working - windows boot up into a blank black screen. In a hurry I've downloaded Ubuntu…

As another 20+ (24 actually, 0.99pl15) Linux user let me counter: with the Linux subsystem for Windows there's no reason to wrestle with Linux any more. While Linux certainly works on laptops it doesn't work well. Wifi and battery life are absymal and for me seemingly every other update either breaks the printer half or the scanner half of the MFC device (and if not, then it's time for another bluetooth breakage, you…

"While Linux certainly works on laptops it doesn't work well."

Part of the issue is that using Linux exposes you much more directly to the quality of the hardware (and the associated firmware and drivers). The hardware that "just works" on Windows might be horribly engineered, but Windows and the proprietary drivers might cover over the problems. On Linux, bad hardware is more likely to just work badly.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

#133

I wanted to throw my money at Dell last year. I wanted the top of the line XPS laptop with Linux. But I needed it quick. At that point, at least, Dell were building them to order in China. Two weeks plus shipping for the UK market. I'm not sure if this is the same for their other models but I bet there's a big pile of Windows machines sitting in an EU warehouse. To add insult to injury, I asked if they could improve…

No, same with Win10 machines. Bought an XPS13 maxed out from Dell. Website deceivably back then said 2 days shipping, but I didn't realize it meant 2 days to deliver it to the carrier and the 3 weeks to Germany from China. Website made it look like it was in Europe when I ordered. BIOS gives smoke detection loudness (!) level alarms at night when some hardware part fails and laptop reboots. Beside that, hardware is c…

FWIW, my Lenovo T460s also has NVMe and it works just fine via /dev/nvme*. Eg. my boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

#135
I recently bought an XPS 13 developers edition from the website after my macbook's screen randomly died (it was old, and ready for an upgrade anyways)

looking at new macbooks, I was unhappy with the lack of a USB slot, thought the fancy bar on the top was unnecessary, and generally you just seemed to get less for the same money.

I NEEDED the laptop right away. The website said it would take 4 days or so. So I waited, then they delayed the order. I couldn't wait, so I decided to cancel the order. I found Microcenter had an XPS 15, which for all practical purposes seemed like the same thing just slightly "better". So I bought that and threw Ubuntu on it.

More or less, it works fine. But I'm not "Wow this is the best laptop ever". I have 1 big complaint. While I'm typing, every once in a while the cursor will skip around. It is infuriating. I'm not sure if it's a hardware or driver issue. My second issue is probably more of an ubuntu issue... but the 4k resolution of the screen (which is actually pretty great) can make some windows scaled super small. From a softer point of view, I don't feel like the frame around this laptop is as durable as the macbook's. I'm very careful when I handle it, because I'm certain one accidental drop, and it's all gone. I dropped my macbook (accidentally!) probably 50 times. No issue.

I really like running ubuntu as my main machine, but this doesn't feel like the "high-end" machine I dreamed about.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora is not kinda beta branch of RHEL. Fedora is a fast-moving distribution, similar to non-LTS Ubuntu. RHEL is a long-term supported distribution (way longer than LTS Ubuntu). It is for machines that you want to set up and forget about their existence. The difference is in target audience and the intent, what their machines have to do. More proper designation would be, that RHEL is a fork of Fedora, that is being…

> Fedora is not kinda beta branch of RHEL. I thought maybe Redhat changed their stance on Fedora and read from Redhat's page and well it is 100% a beta testing ground for RHEL. "The size and expertise of the Fedora community make Fedora an ideal incubator and proving ground for features that eventually get incorporated into Red Hat Enterprise Linux. To meet the quality and reliability requirements that make Red Hat E…

You can read from that excerpt whatever you want, but it still does not make Fedora beta for RHEL.

Just like Windows 10 is not beta for Windows LTSB, or Linux kernel releases are not betas for kernels that will be LTS.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

#137

Got the XPS 9560 from Costco, which they sell at the max configuration (32gb ram, 1tb SSD, 4k touch screen, nvidia 1050) for a few hundred dollars cheaper than Dell, and it's a beast. Got Ubuntu running on it without too much trouble, though it required a bit of tweaking. Only thing that doesn't have a driver is the fingerprint scanner. I'm extremely happy with it so far. Have had no stability issues at all. Only rea…

Do you have some tips for the HiDPI? I have the same machine, and same problem.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What GPU is this? Any capable of DirectX 12, but only gets OpenGL 4.3 drivers or similar on GNU/Linux. Or my AMD Brazos one on a Linux netbook, DirectX 11 class, which only gets OpenGL 3.3 drivers. Regarding OpenGL on macOS, I don't care, that is what rendering engines are for, and all relevant ones already support Metal 2.

> Any capable of DirectX 12, but only gets OpenGL 4.3 drivers or similar on GNU/Linux. What GPU is this ? I don't know of a DX12 device which lacks OpenGL 4.5 support in a stable release of Mesa (or the blob, in the case of NVIDIA, since they are uncooperative with regard to firmware). > Regarding OpenGL on macOS, I don't care, that is what rendering engines are for, and all relevant ones already support Metal 2. Sur…

I was having rendering issues with a NVIDIA Quadro M1200 when I tried it out with a live CD, never bothered to check again.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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post #135

I recently bought an XPS 13 developers edition from the website after my macbook's screen randomly died (it was old, and ready for an upgrade anyways) looking at new macbooks, I was unhappy with the lack of a USB slot, thought the fancy bar on the top was unnecessary, and generally you just seemed to get less for the same money. I NEEDED the laptop right away. The website said it would take 4 days or so. So I waited,…

YMMV - I have the Dell Precision 7510 and i have installed linux and then back to windows 10 about 20 times because i WANT linux to workout but it ends up being to much work to get everything working. This is including the latest ubuntu release. Each attempt i try a different distro. I recently tried again and throw manjaro gnome on the machine and everything just worked.

Like zero effort on my part and its awesome.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What GPU is this? Any capable of DirectX 12, but only gets OpenGL 4.3 drivers or similar on GNU/Linux. Or my AMD Brazos one on a Linux netbook, DirectX 11 class, which only gets OpenGL 3.3 drivers. Regarding OpenGL on macOS, I don't care, that is what rendering engines are for, and all relevant ones already support Metal 2.

I find that to be irrelevant for development (except games, of course). In fact, my graphics card (the cheapest to support Vista) is the only thing I haven't upgraded in the past 5+ years. And it was from eBay, used.

Providing good native UI/UX development is similar to games, specially when using WPF, UWP, Qt,...
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