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1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by stimur »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #24
newman314 wrote: post #2

Ugh. Agilebits left out until the very end that this is only for their hosted solution. No surprise but looks like standalone users are left out in the cold. Again. Much as I like and use 1Password every day, I really really do not like the fact that they moved to a hosted model.

I’m not against the hosted model, but at the moment for me they don’t have enough compelling reasons to use it if you purchased the standalone version. It sounds like they’re trying to get there with X and I wish them luck, but in the meantime I’m a happy standalone user.

Also I see that people for some reason think that this is the only future of our apps. - Standalone apps are not going anywhere. - The original 1Password extension, which is working with standalone app is there too and in active development.

1Password X is one more thing, additional possibility. Not a replacement.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by newman314 »

newman314 wrote: post #2

Ugh. Agilebits left out until the very end that this is only for their hosted solution. No surprise but looks like standalone users are left out in the cold. Again. Much as I like and use 1Password every day, I really really do not like the fact that they moved to a hosted model.

Just to add on to this now that I see that Agliebits staff are in this thread.

I'm not against paying for major version updates. Think of it as a tradeoff between time to market vs. revenue. I'm fine with Teams getting features first (other than security fixes) and paying more infrequently than subscription. It's certainly a business model that previously sustained Agilebits and plenty of other software providers. I get that the HN crowd may not make up a large majority of users at this point but I would think there are still many people that would be happy to spread use of 1Password via word of mouth if you deign to do so.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by stimur »

wool_gather wrote: post #87
stimur wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we are. 1Password X is a purely in browser app. It doesn't have local access to your files, it is an extension. The only way for it to get data is from some server outside, i.e. cloud. Don't try to see the malicious intent where it was just practical decision. At the moment this is the only way to get 1Password to work on Linux (except older OPW4 with local sync support under Wine). I personally happy a…

> Don't try to see the malicious intent... I think you have replied to the wrong comment? Parent says "I'm not against the hosted model...I wish them luck"

Sorry, you're right :)

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by AGKyle »

trurl wrote: post #53
npunt wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I have a tough time empathizing with people who expect free upgrades forever (especially if purchased many years prior) if they don’t articulate how those upgrades should be funded. I think it comes from a desktop software mentality, where things remained rather static relative to mobile’s rapid changes.

I don't expect free upgrades forever, but I am extremely disappointed that I will have migrate all my data to another product if they cease providing an offline version.

Disclosure: I work for AgileBits makers of 1Password

We've already announced that 1Password 7 for Mac and 1Password 7 for Windows will continue to offer standalone licensing.

Just a heads up that we're not removing the option for users like yourself that want to continue to use standalone vaults and the licensing to go with it.

That said, if you haven't, I would recommend and least trying our 1Password.com service. It was built and designed from the ground up to work for 1Password. It's an incredibly great experience. If you try it and aren't interested after the trial I'd love to hear your feedback on why. No credit card is necessary to try it.

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by AGKyle »

wool_gather wrote: post #83
azag0 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does “cease providing” mean? Don’t you have the software? Isn’t the whole point of a standalone program that once you have it, the company can just go bust?

In the context of iOS at least, it has the potential to stop working or lose functionality as time goes on. Compatibility for apps that are not continuously updated is not high on Apple's priority list.

Disclosure: I work for AgileBits, makers of 1Password.

We recently updated 1Password 6 for iOS to work with the new Dropbox version 2 API. Going forward it should be fine until the next Dropbox API changes and presumably that will be a lot smoother than the change from version 1 to 2 that we just did... at least, I hope. We had several people put a lot of time into that transition.

I'm not sure if your comment applied directly to us, but for anyone wondering we tend to update 1Password pretty regularly. We are not at risk of ever being an app that falls on the "not continuously updated" lists I don't think. We were there on day 1 for Drag and Drop on iPad, and day 1 for Face ID. Much like we were there on day 1 for Touch ID and extensions.

1Password for Mac does not depend on Dropbox's API, it syncs directly to the Dropbox folder on the Mac. So as long as that doesn't change it has zero dependency on Dropbox itself.

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by epistasis »

actionscripted wrote: post #38

Am I the only one in here who loves their hosted solutions? We use Teams at work and I use Family for my wife and I. It's important to me that I have access to certain passwords on my desktop, laptop and phone. These items also need to be accessible to others who should be able to view/edit. There's no way to do with without some sort of cloud solution and so the decision becomes which cloud solution. I used to use D…

What part is actually hosted here? Do they store opaque encrypted blobs and pass those around, or can they see the actual secrets too?

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by kobeya »

newman314 wrote: post #81
kobeya wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that work well with multi device updates? What happens if two devices write to the database and then sync?

TBH, do you anticipate a scenario where you are changing passwords on multiple devices in short order or simultaneously? I don't make changes to 1Password that often so while I get that this is HN, not everything needs to be scalable =)

The GP was talking about family sharing, so yes.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by ecesena »

doomrobo wrote: post #5

Does this mean that all crypto in 1Password X is now implemented in Javascript?

Does this scare you?

I'm asking honestly, I'm currently building a password manager in react native, and thus the core crypto is all js, relying on crypto-js. Would this be a deal-breaker for you?

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by AGKyle »

nkw wrote: post #14

> 1Password X was designed for our hosted 1Password service and connects directly to your account. Agilebits/1Passwords continued shoving of their 'hosted' services down their customer's throats amazes me. I'm not even particularly against SaaS/cloud/hosted/subscription/whatever, except a password manager is exactly the type of product that I do not want in that type of environment. Is it really impossible to have a…

Disclosure: I work for AgileBits, makers of 1Password

I'm sorry if you think we're shoving the hosted services down your throat. We offer two types of products:

1. Standalone licenses 2. Our hosted 1Password.com solution

When we announce new products, like this one, we're going to scream from the rooftops to anyone that will listen. We're proud of it and a lot of users are extremely happy to see it.

Standalone licenses are not going away. I've mentioned previously in this thread that we will be offering 1Password 7 for Mac and Windows as standalone licensed apps. So if you want to continue using standalone licenses and pay for those upgrades we will happily offer them.

But because of this we also aren't going to stop improving 1Password.com and the products that we can create surrounding that platform.

This extension really wouldn't have been possible with our standalone licensed products. Because we have 1Password.com we now have the ability to offer this with the same ease of use that our users come to expect from us.

I'm a bit confused by your statement that password managers don't work in a cloud/hosted/subscription/whatever environment. Have you by chance read our white paper? It outlines how we protect your data and it's written such that nearly anyone, even without cryptography experience can understand:

https://1pw.ca/whitepaper

Please give it a read and if you have questions we'll be happy to get you answers.

In the end though, if you're a standalone licensed user, you are still going to be supported in the future so there's nothing that changes with regard to that in the future. We just now offer a new extension for users that use our 1Password.com service. And this new extension will influence the Mac version going forward so the things you see here will eventually find their way to the Mac version.

Hope that helps!

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Post by stimur »

ejcx wrote: post #26

Former LastPass employee here. Looks to me like 1Password is going full LastPass. First fully hosted passwords. Now support for extension only (which is way worse security wise). SaaS margins and recurring revenue is better, and I guess their previous model was killing 1Password.

AgileBits employee here:

> First fully hosted passwords

In addition to standalone data

> Now support for extension only

In addition to existing apps and existing extension.

> I guess their previous model was killing 1Password.

The guess is wrong. Sorry. We said the opposite publicly multiple times.

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