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1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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I disagree. In fact, given the regular loss of online credentials, I think you are misguided in your faith in a hosted password solution. There are plenty of people that do not want to for very good reasons. As far as syncing using non-hosted 1Password, I use a combination of wifi sync (for mobile devices) and Resilio (in local sync only mode, no tracker, no cloud copy a la Dropbox) to sync. Works very nicely across…

Does that work well with multi device updates? What happens if two devices write to the database and then sync?

TBH, do you anticipate a scenario where you are changing passwords on multiple devices in short order or simultaneously?

I don't make changes to 1Password that often so while I get that this is HN, not everything needs to be scalable =)

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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> 1Password X was designed for our hosted 1Password service and connects directly to your account. Agilebits/1Passwords continued shoving of their 'hosted' services down their customer's throats amazes me. I'm not even particularly against SaaS/cloud/hosted/subscription/whatever, except a password manager is exactly the type of product that I do not want in that type of environment. Is it really impossible to have a…

They haven't lost any good will that matters in the long run. I find 1Password valuable enough to pay them a monthly fee and so do many many others.

They changed their business model to be more sustainable/profitable and they know that means that they'll lose a segment of customers but that's OK.

The products that won't do well with a business model like this are products that don't provide enough value. There is nothing wrong with the pricing model itself or a company choosing to adopt it.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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I don't expect free upgrades forever, but I am extremely disappointed that I will have migrate all my data to another product if they cease providing an offline version.

What does “cease providing” mean? Don’t you have the software? Isn’t the whole point of a standalone program that once you have it, the company can just go bust?

In the context of iOS at least, it has the potential to stop working or lose functionality as time goes on. Compatibility for apps that are not continuously updated is not high on Apple's priority list.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Anyone else having issues adding a second account? I goto chrome://extensions/ click on 1Password X "options" > + Add an acct. I then get prompted to login to my 1st account, have no option to add a second account.

So found it - there is a "Sign in to another account" at the bottom of the login page.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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"1Password X was designed for our hosted 1Password service and connects directly to your account." Nope, sorry. No. Never. I'd rather change password managers than rely on a small, niche company to keep the data secure and in sync -- larger players have a much bigger advantage here. I can see a future coming when I'll only use 1Password on my phone, and have things stored on a secure enclave. It will be slightly more…

Larger players being? I can only think of Lastpass when it comes to similar feature sets.

Chrome saves and syncs passwords for you out of the box. Combined with an offline KeePass database, it works great.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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I’m not against the hosted model, but at the moment for me they don’t have enough compelling reasons to use it if you purchased the standalone version. It sounds like they’re trying to get there with X and I wish them luck, but in the meantime I’m a happy standalone user.

I don't think we are. 1Password X is a purely in browser app. It doesn't have local access to your files, it is an extension. The only way for it to get data is from some server outside, i.e. cloud. Don't try to see the malicious intent where it was just practical decision. At the moment this is the only way to get 1Password to work on Linux (except older OPW4 with local sync support under Wine). I personally happy a…

> Don't try to see the malicious intent...

I think you have replied to the wrong comment? Parent says "I'm not against the hosted model...I wish them luck"

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Ugh. Agilebits left out until the very end that this is only for their hosted solution. No surprise but looks like standalone users are left out in the cold. Again. Much as I like and use 1Password every day, I really really do not like the fact that they moved to a hosted model.

Disclosure: I work for AgileBits, makers of 1Password

This particular solution also makes the most sense for our hosted solution. Extensions are sandboxed, so the question becomes how does the standalone vault get its data into the extension sandbox? Once it's there, how do you keep it in sync?

Sure, it's possible, but it's also incredibly fiddly for the average user. While we do talk about Linux here, the extension is still focused at the average user in most ways. So having a user drag a vault into a particular folder deep in their system or really any other solution is just going to be painful and impossible to easily keep in sync.

The extension also has a prerequisite of not relying on our native applications. So any input from that side is a no go.

The other thing with this is we would've literally had to recreate a very large portion of the standalone vault code again. On Mac for instance this code is written in Objective-C, on Windows it was written in Delphi for version 4, it's not present in 1Password 6 for Windows yet but when it does exist there it'll be in C#. Our new 1Password X extension is written in Typescript and Go. So quite literally none of our existing code carries over to this. That's a big barrier to entry.

Our focus on 1Password.com accounts really made the most sense because it can get the users data directly from the web, dump it in the sandbox where necessary, and it can be easily synced. It was also a lot easier because much of our web client's code could be shared with the new extension, so a good chunk of that work was already done.

That said, I am sorry that you aren't happy about this direction we took for the extension. It wasn't specifically done to make any users made it was to try to continue to expand the options available to users.

* Make 1Password available to two new platforms that we didn't support directly: Chrome OS and Linux * Make it possible for users to not have to have the applications installed in order to use 1Password in their browser. This starts to lower the barrier to entry as well. Traditionally the install the app, install the extension bits have been difficult for some users, this helps alleviate that.

None of our decisions here were based on making users unhappy, it was trying to make users lives easier and introducing 1Password to more types of systems.

One of the main reasons we made 1Password.com was because it allowed us to do things that we could not do in the past. This extension is one of those things that we've wanted to do but couldn't. You're bound to see a lot more of this type of thing in the future because standalone vaults limited our options for a long time and we have a long list of features and things we've wanted to implement but couldn't do with standalone vaults. Now we have a backend that can help us make these things happen so we're working on them.

Now, I'm not saying you have to agree with our decisions, but I do hope that giving you some details will help you at least understand why we're doing this. Understanding why doesn't mean you have to agree with it, or like it even, but understanding does mean you can see it from our side too.

We know our standalone users exist, we're not ignoring them, but we have some really exciting projects that we've wanted to work on for a long time and are now able to do so. Like anyone else here on Hacker News we like to work on thing we're excited about too.

For what it's worth we haven't "moved" to a hosted model. We offer our standalone licenses to users who want them. They may not be front and center but they're there. We have also made it clear that we're offering standalone licenses for 1Password 7 for Mac and Windows, so they'll continue to be offered in the future.

And our existing extension is being worked on every day. We hope that some of the changes we've made to this extension will make their way into the extension and applications our standalone users use currently. I'm excited to see how the new 1Password X extension influences the Mac application going forward.

Anyway, I hope that helps a little. If you have questions definitely reach out. I'm happy to help however I can and again, I'm sorry if the release of this new extension has upset you. It certainly wasn't our intent.

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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Am I the only one in here who loves their hosted solutions? We use Teams at work and I use Family for my wife and I. It's important to me that I have access to certain passwords on my desktop, laptop and phone. These items also need to be accessible to others who should be able to view/edit. There's no way to do with without some sort of cloud solution and so the decision becomes which cloud solution. I used to use D…

I love it too. I completely understand why some people want to avoid a hosted solution, but it makes sense for me and my family. I've probably recouped the subscription cost in the time savings compared to having to troubleshoot my wife's setup every couple of months.

> I've probably recouped the subscription cost in the time savings compared to having to troubleshoot my wife's setup every couple of months.

Absolutely agreed–the hosted solution made it so straightforward to get my girlfriend onto a password manager that I've never looked back. I had used the standalone version with Dropbox sync for a long time before switching, but I had enough (occasional, minor) issues with the sync process that I didn't want to push it on her and then have it become a point of frustration when I wasn't available to help debug it.

The hosted solution has been totally seamless to set up on various devices, adding additional shared and personal vaults for household accounts was painless, and my own peace of mind in knowing she uses it for everything is worth a lot to me.

Re: 1Password X: A look at the future of 1Password in the browser

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The hosted nonsense and poor linux and windows support is why I switched to enpass.

I'm glad you mentioned Enpass -- I hadn't heard of them. I'm currently a disgruntled 1Password user looking to jump ship. https://www.enpass.io

I've been using Enpass for a little while and it's working out really well.

The thing I like most about it is that they are not in the cloud business. They have a list of seven cloud providers that they support for sync and let you pick one (or none if you don't want to sync). They also support using WebDAV/OwnCloud for sync if you want to do your own thing.

The other cool thing about Enpass is that it's available for all of the major platforms. Having passwords synced between my phone, Linux computer, and Mac is really nice.

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