This would actually make me want to live in California. Everyone should experience hallucinogens in the life, particularly magic mushrooms. It's truly a life changing experience, for the better. Some of the best nights of my young life were spent with friends, and mushrooms.
California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018
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#102I wonder if this could be the birth of the legal microdosing industry?
Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.
The idea of a placebo effect for psychedelics is kind of amusing.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody is running about trying to purchase, at least for their own account, lead sweeteners on the black market. We know the risks, and we don't want it. With psychoactive substances, however, many people who know the risks still want it. It strikes me as absurd that inhibiting them should be a public matter.
you wouldn't allow drugs in traffic and you wouldn't want them in public. Alcohol use shows that not always is drug use constrained to private settings, so there is the argument against it, because what starts in private might under the influence end up in an inappropriate place.
Alcohol is allowed so what exactly are you saying? When it was banned under prohibition in the US, it didnt change much either.
There will always be irresponsible people, however we shouldn't intrude on the freedoms of everyone for the faults of a few.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.
Just because there aren't studies on something does not mean it is not true. Science lags, and citizen scientists are left to explore and confer with each other to find what works and what does not. It is ignorant to ignore and belittle the progress in many fields that occurs before it is formally verified.
A classic research paper illustrating your point:
Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018
#105Which is good to hear, because currently it is one of a handful of states where ordering spores is illegal.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
But criminalization does work. Every time subject of criminalization comes up people cherry pick Portugal as some kind of miracle example completely ignoring Japan, Singapore, Georgia (country) Davao city, South Korea and countless others examples where strict laws (and their enforcement) almost completely eradicated drug abuse. In the US you guys have incompetent people running the show and despite throwing enormous…
Snoop Dogg would be executed in Singapore. Do you think that's a real solution in the US? Is that what you want?
I'm not advocating any policy. I'm just against the echo chamber.
I'm saying that statement "criminalization doesn't work" is false. I foresee people saying "but we tried, and it didn't work for us" and immediately try to counter it by saying that you haven't actually tried at all. I'm saying that you have rigged your drug policy to fail.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so? Isn't microdosing done with LSD?
The difference of effect of LSD and magic mushrooms is not very large. Classic psychedelics have a lot in common, the differences are mere nuances.
Have you experienced this first hand? For me, mushrooms are either on or off. From what I know about LSD dosage (I haven't taken it) is that it's much more variable.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.
It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. There's some theory that the water molecules "remember" the medicine, or some such stupid bullshit. A microdose of psychedelics (for example, https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing-lsd-mushrooms/ ) is misnamed. It's about 1…
> It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose.
That is exactly what microdosing is.
> A microdose of psychedelics [is] enough to feel buzzed
No it isn't. If you've taken enough to feel buzzed then you took too much, according to proponents of microdosing. Here is a quote from a sticky on Reddit's /r/microdosing:
> If you are feeling any changes that remind you even vaguely of tripping/being high, you've taken too much.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.
Just because there aren't studies on something does not mean it is not true. Science lags, and citizen scientists are left to explore and confer with each other to find what works and what does not. It is ignorant to ignore and belittle the progress in many fields that occurs before it is formally verified.
It's not just the lack of studies, although that doesn't help. Why don't amateur "psychonauts" just do these blind tests themselves? Clearly they have enough product to do it, but they won't. Gwern is pretty much the only one who bothered, and his results were negative.
I'm not ignoring and belittling the progress because of the lack of formal verification. I'm belittling it because even amateurs refuse to take the first step towards confirmation of effects.