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California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Here in Indiana, I have a four-wheeler with a plow. I have one for my truck too, for when it gets really bad.

I mean I was pretty happy out here in San Francisco but you might pull me in with this one

Well, then, here’s some more: if you have some free time, you can make that truck pay for itself plowing parking lots. Lots of friends of mine with 4x4s did that when we lived in Indiana. Might not pay for the truck, but it was reported that it easily paid for the plow and hydraulics in one winter.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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I wonder if this could be the birth of the legal microdosing industry?

Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern:

https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing

tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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An alternate perspective could be that California is lagging the other western states on legalization exactly because of overreaching campaigns that don't acknowledge the conservatism in the middle and south of the state. A previous cannabis legalization effort in California, IIRC, proposed to make cannabis consumption a protected employment class.

> conservatism in the middle and south of the state

You don't even have to go to the middle or south of the state. Look at the current gnashing of teeth over marijuana dispensaries in San Francisco.

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They're not 'obsessed': criminalization doesn't work because of many, many reasons I will not repeat here. I think that moving to legalise drugs (harmless or not) is the normal, rational decision to make and the fact that is receives so much push-back saddens me. I would be curious to what lead you to your conclusion? The press is pretty bad at painting this picture as most articles I've seen try to tickle people's s…

But criminalization does work. Every time subject of criminalization comes up people cherry pick Portugal as some kind of miracle example completely ignoring Japan, Singapore, Georgia (country) Davao city, South Korea and countless others examples where strict laws (and their enforcement) almost completely eradicated drug abuse. In the US you guys have incompetent people running the show and despite throwing enormous…

Snoop Dogg would be executed in Singapore. Do you think that's a real solution in the US? Is that what you want?

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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I mean I was pretty happy out here in San Francisco but you might pull me in with this one

Well, then, here’s some more: if you have some free time, you can make that truck pay for itself plowing parking lots. Lots of friends of mine with 4x4s did that when we lived in Indiana. Might not pay for the truck, but it was reported that it easily paid for the plow and hydraulics in one winter.

Yep, before I got the plows, we paid a guy $75 to come and plow our (long, winding) driveway every time it was bad enough to need it. It took him about 20 minutes and ours is just one of several that he'd hit every time. He also had contracts with several businesses to have their parking lots cleared.

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As a Wisconsin transplant, how are you happy when you must shovel, and shovel, and shovel. If I had stayed for one more winter I would have gone on a shovel-armed homicidal spree.

Here in Indiana, I have a four-wheeler with a plow. I have one for my truck too, for when it gets really bad.

I do this too in Alaska. I highly recommend this strategy to everyone.

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You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Buying mushrooms illegally from a legit dealer in the US means making sure they have several uniform bags of the product. You want to make sure they're grown safely in a lab or farm. There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe. Unless you're an actual mycologist, it's difficult to tell what's s…

> You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands.

No you can't (anymore). They are illegal since 2008. I remember when they became illegal since me and my friends used to experiment with them, but a few unfortunate accidents/deaths involving tourists combining them with other (illegal) drugs lead to their prohibition. *

* https://www.drugsenuitgaan.nl/hulp-en-advies/veel-gestelde-v...

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Buying mushrooms illegally from a legit dealer in the US means making sure they have several uniform bags of the product. You want to make sure they're grown safely in a lab or farm. There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe. Unless you're an actual mycologist, it's difficult to tell what's s…

You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Unless something has changed within the last year, this is no longer the case (in Amsterdam at least). They do sell something called "Magic Truffles" but AFAIK they're no where near as potent. It was possible to buy mushrooms there until a few years back but apparently it was putting stress on paramedics and police due to "drug tourists" havin…

Correct, they have been outlawed since 2008. "Magic truffles" are not anywhere near as potent as were the mushrooms.

https://www.drugsenuitgaan.nl/hulp-en-advies/veel-gestelde-v...

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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So pay someone else to do it, it's not at all expensive. The going rate here is $10-$30 a storm for a city sized driveway/sidewalk or shoveling a car out.

Do neighborhood kids go door to door offering to shovel driveways for $ still?

Sometimes, but not like it used to be. I see plenty of adults with plows soliciting door to door too.

Usually I see kids soliciting through Facebook groups nowadays. Well, their parents do it for them.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Both are vey slow growing. It can take 25+ years for a plant to be large enough to produce flowers. This has led impatient jerks go out and (illegally) field collect them to the point where both species are considered threatened. For that reason, I think their possession should be regulated everywhere.

So you want to make them more rare so that people have a strong incentive to harvest from the wild? If you legalize home growing you'll create a larger supply. You should look at the history of Chestnut blight in the US. Due to the blight the US government directed people to chop down chestnut trees by the millions. If instead, they had allowed the blighted trees to continue to live, we may have discovered some genet…

> So you want to make them more rare so that people have a strong incentive to harvest from the wild?

No. I think them being illegal to posses is working to reduce field collection. This strategy is used for many other endangered plants (such as orchids) and seems to work. If people want to use psychoactives, then "magic" mushroom and morning glory seeds (or Hawaiian wood rose seeds) have a much lower impact on the environment and people should be steered towards those options by making them legal (most already are; carrot) and coming down on anyone who illegally collects Lophophora with a prison sentence (stick).

> You should look at the history of Chestnut blight in the US.

First of all, the species is not extinct. In fact, if you live in Silicon Valley, there is a chestnut orchard with some American chestnut trees just a short drive away in the Santa Cruz Mountains. There are many other populations and ongoing work to try and breed resistant trees.

Second, trees were cut down to create a biological equivalent of a fire break. The idea was, if there was a gap of 10-20 miles in front of the advancing disease front where trees were removed, then it might be possible to contain the disease. In hindsight, this might seem like a overly drastic measure, especially since it ended up only delaying the spread and not stopping it completely, but based on what was known about the disease at the time, and the huge importance of the American chestnut as an economic resource, it was a risk people were willing to take.

> Proactive regulation is not always the best move.

Yes, but sometimes it actually is the best move. I believe it is in this case.

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