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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by kelnos »

disconnected wrote: post #287
Tomte wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla doesn't create all those extensions. And the extensions' authors had, what, two years advance warning or so? Criticize the real culpits, not Mozilla.

Look at this from a user perspective: The user diligently updates Firefox, optimistically hoping that this new version will be as awesome as the previous ones that vastly improved performance. Firefox starts and, suddenly, a bunch of things that used to work stop working. Why? Well, essentially, something that they can't hope to comprehend and that they never asked for and had no input on just ruined their browser. W…

> "I'm tired of dealing with this shit. I'm switching to Chrome"

That was already happening, where "this shit" was crippling performance issues, and a lack of sandboxing and modern security features.

I expect Mozilla believed that the user fallout from breaking some extensions would be less than the existing continuing fallout of the ongoing issues.

> Mozilla should've tried to smooth this transition, not just simply pull the pin on the web extensions grenade and yell "Catch!".

You do realize that this transition has been going on and has been publicized for years, right?

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by jhasse »

hinkley wrote: post #401
rectang wrote: post #198

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This was possible until today and FF57 with the "Keychain Services Integration" plugin -- but it can't be ported to WebExtensions. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/keychain-serv... I will miss it and I'm not sure what to do next.

This to me sounds like something Firefox itself should do, not an extension author...

Problem is: Firefox doesn't.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by HenryBemis »

parmesan wrote: post #116

I just updated - WOW! What an improvement! Compared startup time and scrolling around some over-monetized sites; Behaves just as well as Chrome. Time for a switch again, I've missed FireFox since I started having Chrome as my default browser back in ~2011

It looked great, up to the point that 70% of my addons were disabled. I rolled back in 5mins :)

I'll give it another chance in a couple of weeks, and hope that there will be a bypass that will force my outdated addons to work.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by johndoe489 »

1) Is it possible to change the shortcut for Private window to CTRL Shift N somehow like in Chrome? (instead of Ctrl Shift P). (I like that I could use that shortcut with my left hand (albeit with some nice thumb extension action).)

2) Any way to remove the bottom bar icons when the omni bar completion box shows? ... wait... How do I even edit search engines in Firefox? Like say, typing "yt (space) search term" to do a search on YouTube?

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by tempestn »

JonathonW wrote: post #622
tempestn wrote: post #603

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I actually agree with you on a few fronts. 1) by default tabs are now white on a white background, with the active tab only being a slightly darker grey. 2) Everything is much more crammed together (tabs and bookmarks toolbar especially) which makes sense on a small laptop monitor, but on my desktop is just annoying. 3) Dialog boxes to confirm closing of multiple tabs have white text on grey background. (?!) 4) Folde…

What OS are you on? The default style on Windows takes your system title bar color (or a dark blue if you don't have Windows set to show the system accent color on title bars); the default style on OSX uses a dark translucent background. Both use light gray tabs and a light gray toolbar background. If you've migrated from a previous version of Firefox and customized the browser at all, you may not be getting the defa…

It appears something about my existing profile was incompatible with the new version, causing a number of these strange issues. I didn't have a UserChrome.css, nor was I using a custom theme, so I don't know what it could have been, but creating a new profile at least dealt with the strange colour issues.

And thank you for that drag space tip. Definitely part of what I was looking for. I just assumed it toggled the ability to drag whitespace around while customizing!

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by ajdlinux »

HenryBemis wrote: post #683
parmesan wrote: post #116

I just updated - WOW! What an improvement! Compared startup time and scrolling around some over-monetized sites; Behaves just as well as Chrome. Time for a switch again, I've missed FireFox since I started having Chrome as my default browser back in ~2011

It looked great, up to the point that 70% of my addons were disabled. I rolled back in 5mins :) I'll give it another chance in a couple of weeks, and hope that there will be a bypass that will force my outdated addons to work.

There won't be a bypass - Fx57 has completely dropped legacy extension support.

This is a good thing, and it's just a shame that so many addons haven't been updated yet.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by jhasse »

Sylos wrote: post #468
scott_karana wrote: post #384

I too am sad that despite the awesome speed, I'm forced to stick with v56 out of necessity for my add-ons. Tab Groups (which was originally a first-class Mozilla feature called Panorama) absolutely changed my browser workflow, and I can't imagine regressing... The new APIs won't support replacement any time soon, and the dev has already given up, since they'd already had to run a fundraiser once to add Electrolysis s…

WebExtensions were specifically announced alongside Electrolysis. This is not Mozilla's fault.

I guess extension developers didnt expect being forced to WebExtemsions only so soon.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by kelnos »

pmoriarty wrote: post #372
chimeracoder wrote: post #320

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> I don't know that that's fair. The discussions I've seen and participated in have revolved around equivalency, not identity. I've developed a couple of Firefox extensions. One of those was an e10s-compatible replacement for Vimperator, because Vimperator relied on XUL[0]. (Vimperator broke long before Firefox 57, because e10s broke backwards compatibility with some extensions long before Firefox 57 did). The old ex…

"As someone who's written Firefox extensions that are no longer available due to the switch, I'm disappointed that this had to happen. But as a Firefox user, I'm much happier having Quantum and Electrolysis (e10s), and if the tradeoff is between those two directly, I'd choose Quantum + Electrolysis over those extensions." Well, I'm a Firefox user, not an extension developer, and Pentadactyl happened to be one of the…

Well, I'm a Firefox user, not an extension developer, and I much prefer a performant browser with modern security features (and the ability to implement more in the future, which they couldn't do pre-57). I've lost a couple extensions during the move, but the tradeoff is well worth it to me.

And it sucks that you don't feel that way -- it really does -- but I suspect the vast majority of Firefox users feel as I do, and in the end Mozilla needs to cater to the most users possible.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by BuckRogers »

callahad wrote: post #475
manojlds wrote: post #441

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If it as just as good as chrome, why should I switch? Especially given how good Chrome Dev tools are.

Aside from the privacy / philosophy / openness / counterweight-to-monopolization-of-the-Web angles which Yoric mentioned, you might find we're actually better than Chrome in some areas. Often small things, but I find I prefer the feel of Firefox to Chrome. - If you do frontend work, our CSS grid inspector is unparalleled https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto... - Firefox has built-in tracking p…

It also has toolbar RSS feed support. I've been using this since when Firefox was in beta (Phoenix) and it's a killer feature for me. I may use Feedly on iOS but desktop/laptop I love having the same feeds right on the toolbar. Chrome doesn't support RSS feeds in this way because there's no way to advertise with them.

Always watch where the incentives run, Chrome is for Google's best interests, not the web's and not the user's. Always has been and always will be because it's a for-profit organization.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by schuyler2d »

phillc73 wrote: post #628
callahad wrote: post #475

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Aside from the privacy / philosophy / openness / counterweight-to-monopolization-of-the-Web angles which Yoric mentioned, you might find we're actually better than Chrome in some areas. Often small things, but I find I prefer the feel of Firefox to Chrome. - If you do frontend work, our CSS grid inspector is unparalleled https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto... - Firefox has built-in tracking p…

> - Firefox has built-in tracking protection ( https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer... ) Is there a way to selectively unblock certain trackers on a specific page? I currently have the Tracking Protection set to Always and the block list on Strict. No problems yet, but I know there will be a few sites which won't correctly. Previously I always used Ghostery and there was a nice option to view…

Take a look at the eff's privacy badger add on, which let's you control each script/source on a per-page level
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