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Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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I'm a woman and I am a feminist. Unless you are an actor or dancer any sort of touching with coworkers is very inappropriate for all genders, sexual or non sexual touching included. Keeping your work and professional lives separate is just good sense. It's rude to make comments about other people's appearances unless you are very close friends with them. Closed door meetings are sometimes needed but you should never…

You spend the majority of you life in work, and to avoid making friends with some people you spend time with is very isolating. I'm not going to the weekly board game thing because then, gasp, I might make friends! Imagine if we applied the same standards to school. I think this attitude is part of the reason why adults have a hard time making friends after college.

Woah, I do not spend the majority of my time at work! For a given week I am awake for approximately 112 hours but I only spend 40 at work, so less than 36% of a given week is spent at work.

During work I am usually too busy, uh, working to really socialize. I mean, I'm friendly, there's water cooler banter, but I've got work to do.

I socialize plenty, just outside of the office with people who aren't my colleagues.

I've personally seen excessive fraternization backfire badly. You also realize, once you've been around the block once or twice, that friends you make at work are very shallow friendships 99.99% of the time.

Here's an argument for boundaries at work: https://hbr.org/2003/12/in-praise-of-boundaries-a-conversati...

>You don’t have time to make friends if you’re out socializing every night with pseudofriends. And on a smaller scale, the same is true in business offices. It is a terrific imposition for a business to ask people to give up their weekends and their evenings for unpaid work. I get these pathetic letters from 70-year-old retired executives who say, “I worked for 40 years in this office, and everybody loved me. They gave me this huge party when I left. And now nobody calls me. What happened?” What happened, I say, is that your colleagues aren’t your friends—and they never were.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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The chicken littles claiming this problem exists in the first place are publicly scared they are next. This they admit outright. I'd wager that people making these claims probably _do_ have this as a risk, for good reason.

this mindset seems a bit like a 'if you have nothing to hide...' view on privacy. they're only concerned because they're villains?

You are putting words from a totally different argument in my mouth. Weak rhetoric.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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If there were proof - emails, texts, etc - it would have been leaked to recode and other publications to avoid perceptions like mine. Public disclosures of these kinds of actions are meticulously calculated. Mr. Jurveston clearly disputes the allegations, to the point where he is promising litigation. The lack of evidence publicly presented likely means that it is a flimsy accusation - likely a “he said/she said” kin…

> to avoid perceptions like mine They totally would have assuaged your fears by emailing you the evidence directly. Your sensitivities were on the top of their list, because God Man, THEY HAVE EMPATHY!

Would you mind sticking to substantive comments, please?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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> Human touch is fucking important if it's important to you, that's why you have friends and family. i'm sure as an adult you can handle not fondling other adults at work, because even if you think 'it's important', you don't know what kind of space other people are in and how they feel about you touching them.

I assume english is not your first language. Fondling is not even close to the word touching. Fondling is about sexuality. Touching is a physical action. You touch a cup. You touch a dog. You touch a touch screen. You touch someone when you shake their hand. Roughly, you can't fondle a cup. You wouldn't say you fondle a dog, and you won't say you fondle friends and family. (And I do know spaces my workmates are in...…

not everyone shares this aggressive need for touching that you seem to be describing.

if human beings matter to you, hopefully you can see this.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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this mindset seems a bit like a 'if you have nothing to hide...' view on privacy. they're only concerned because they're villains?

You are putting words from a totally different argument in my mouth. Weak rhetoric.

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Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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post #135

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this mindset seems a bit like a 'if you have nothing to hide...' view on privacy. they're only concerned because they're villains?

You are putting words from a totally different argument in my mouth. Weak rhetoric.

your statement was thus:

> I'd wager that people making these claims probably _do_ have this as a risk, for good reason.

why do you think they have this as a risk? why for good reason? why do you wager this situation?

your phrasing seems like a sneering insinuation, but framed such that you can say it doesn't mean any one concrete thing, should someone respond. this seems like "weasel wording" and it seems disingenuous to reply the way you did.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

This clip is relevant to today's issue. Men can accuse just as easily.

American Beauty How to Quit a Job With Kevin Spacey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psNuJuaYqVU

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Why? Am I wrong? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution To be clear, you do realize that I'm criticizing both Marx and Mao right?

You're taking them out of context. Marx didn't want revolution for revolution's sake. He had a specific change to the social order in mind, namely the cause of socialism. He wouldn't approve of the US.

So you're saying that the Women's Suffrage movement changed nothing? The Civil Rights movement didn't have any effect? The Sexual Revolution did little? What about the unions? I can go on. Are you saying that none of our bloodless revolutions made any changes to the social order?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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> The feminists The people who think women should be equal ...

Sure. Just like the communists thought people should be equal.

This is getting crazy. Can we please not do this?

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Based on what I've read, and I'm fully willing to admit it's all hearsay, Steve, while having achieved great things, has a history of abusing his power and treating founders poorly. This does not feel like bad news.

Unless the founder is of Theranos.
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