It's conspicuous that the real face of the user of the iPhone isn't shown in the video or in photos on the site.
In the video, he shows the iPhone being unlocked with his own face at 1:06:
Face ID beaten by mask
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#32I feel like this demo is not really good. A video where a (real) face is learned in and then the mask is used to unlock would be good, this could just show that the mask is learned into FaceID.
And then the question would have been if it could be beaten after the system was given time to learn.
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#33It's conspicuous that the real face of the user of the iPhone isn't shown in the video or in photos on the site.
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#34Would it be possible to just capture the IR beams with a camera, and use a projector to send to the phone's sensor a new set of IR points as they would appear if they were projected on an actual 3D model? This would allow to use only a digital model of a face, without the need for printing it.
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#36As a consumer this doesn't worry me as to be able to crack my phone it looks like they would already have to have access to my face to make the mask (and an expert sculpture to make a nose). If they could demonstrate it working from a 3D printed mask taken from a surreptitious scan at distance in the outdoors then I think we'd have reason to be worried. For spies, spooks, government agents etc. I suspect that Face ID…
It seems much more secure than fingerprints, since that was defeated much more quickly (within a couple days?), with easily lifted prints and a more cost effective (though still somewhat lengthy) method.
This, in comparison, seems much harder and consequently further reduces the realistic attack scenarios where people have to be worried. For most people this is a non-issue. (It mostly already was a non-issue with fingerprints, for the same reasons.)
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#37I hope this does not result in me getting 3D face scanned as I pass through border control
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#38He does no such thing. The passcode is never entered in front of the mask. They also explicitly state in their Q&A that the passcode was never entered in front of the mask.
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#39I don't see any suggestion that this is what they did in the demonstration. In fact, quite the opposite is suggested:
"Q: Were you able to use the mask to unlock the iPhone immediately after freshly enrolling the real face? The reason I ask is that, according to Apple's whitepaper, Face ID will take additional captures over time and augment its enrolled Face ID data with the newly calculated mathematical representation. Can you describe precisely how you went about conducting this experiment?
A: It does not matter whether Apple Face ID "learns" new images of the face, since it will not affect the truth that Apple Face ID is not an effective security measure. However, we knew about this "learning", thus, to give a more persuasive result, we applied the strict rule of "absolutely no passcode" when crafting the mask."
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#40So, fingerprints are not "secure", face recognition is not "secure"... Are passwords/double authentication the only way to keep things private and secure these days? Are there any serious alternative?
A fingerprint is just a really complex password that you leave on everything you touch. Your face is just a really complex password that is written on the front of your head. It should be self-evident that neither of these is "secure" for some level of "security", but they might be perfectly fine for the level of threat that you face, which is not likely to be particularly high. But I don't know you, so maybe you fac…
The solution is obvious: genital scanners!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zu4XlM_89s