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Re: Face ID beaten by mask

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Post by steve19 »

thoughtsimple wrote: post #7

Nevermind. Should have read the article. I thought it was the same as the one I saw over the weekend.

Edit: the op asked if this could be done with the user knowing (I don't know why the question was removed).

"We might use smartphones with 3D scanning capabilities (like Sony XZ1); or set up a room with a 3D scanner, a few seconds is enough for the scanning (here's an example of a 3D scanning booth). An easier way is photograph-based, artists craft a thing from its photos. Take the nose of our mask for example, its creation is not complicated at all. "

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Post by jonwinstanley »

sambeau wrote: post #9

As a consumer this doesn't worry me as to be able to crack my phone it looks like they would already have to have access to my face to make the mask (and an expert sculpture to make a nose). If they could demonstrate it working from a 3D printed mask taken from a surreptitious scan at distance in the outdoors then I think we'd have reason to be worried. For spies, spooks, government agents etc. I suspect that Face ID…

Exactly. This is definitely not a reason not to buy an iPhone X.

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Post by KeitIG »

So, fingerprints are not "secure", face recognition is not "secure"... Are passwords/double authentication the only way to keep things private and secure these days? Are there any serious alternative?

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Post by geoah »

baxtr wrote: post #5

> A: We used a popular 3D printer. Nose was made by a handmade artist. We use 2D printing for other parts (similar to how we tricked Face Recognition 9 years ago). The skin was also hand-made to trick Apple's AI. > Q: What's the approximate cost of the mask? > A: ~ 150 USD Taken together, the second answer cannot be true. Only if the cost stated is related to material cost only, which is is only one input factor to a…

I assume this was done in Singapore where prices should be a bit cheaper, if you don't have a 3D printer you can always get a service for the 50 USD, and probably give the rest to an art student to make you the nose? :D

Not sure about the "hand-made" skin, but it might just be some white and glossy paint?

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Post by x0x0 »

baxtr wrote: post #5

> A: We used a popular 3D printer. Nose was made by a handmade artist. We use 2D printing for other parts (similar to how we tricked Face Recognition 9 years ago). The skin was also hand-made to trick Apple's AI. > Q: What's the approximate cost of the mask? > A: ~ 150 USD Taken together, the second answer cannot be true. Only if the cost stated is related to material cost only, which is is only one input factor to a…

Nitpicking the cost of the labor to build this mask misses the point of the article: face id is much less secure than Apple claims.

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Post by nvr219 »

sambeau wrote: post #9

As a consumer this doesn't worry me as to be able to crack my phone it looks like they would already have to have access to my face to make the mask (and an expert sculpture to make a nose). If they could demonstrate it working from a 3D printed mask taken from a surreptitious scan at distance in the outdoors then I think we'd have reason to be worried. For spies, spooks, government agents etc. I suspect that Face ID…

yeah this is mostly like, multinational CEOs, etc who would be targeted

Re: Face ID beaten by mask

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Post by fermuch »

baxtr wrote: post #5

> A: We used a popular 3D printer. Nose was made by a handmade artist. We use 2D printing for other parts (similar to how we tricked Face Recognition 9 years ago). The skin was also hand-made to trick Apple's AI. > Q: What's the approximate cost of the mask? > A: ~ 150 USD Taken together, the second answer cannot be true. Only if the cost stated is related to material cost only, which is is only one input factor to a…

What other cost are you referring to? The 3D printer? You can send your design to a studio and they'll print it for you and send it, or you can rent time in some places to get access to a printer, without needing to buy one.

In any case, if it needed only a paper print, you wouldn't count the cost of the printer, since you can print it anywhere.

Re: Face ID beaten by mask

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Post by nezza-_- »

I feel like this demo is not really good. A video where a (real) face is learned in and then the mask is used to unlock would be good, this could just show that the mask is learned into FaceID.
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