Will the fork still be licensed under CDDL or is there a way to switch it to GPL?
OpenSolaris fork imminent?
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Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please. The version of GNOME you'll find in Sol 10 is way behind RHEL 5, the desktop / kernel integration is poor, and the amount of apps that actually make use of the desktop is minimal.
We were discussing OpenSolaris, not Solaris 10. I looked it up and it looks like they have gnome 2.30 since their 2009.06 release[1] which is actually the latest version. [1] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensolaris
Then the better comparison is Fedora - while support contracts exist for OpenSolaris (whose last version was actually supposed to be 2010.03, but which was cancelled), very few people use them and Sun/Oracle will encourage you to use, and train for, Sol 10.
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting packaging in debian or fedora has some issues? Can you elaborate in one or two lines? Thanks.
No. Debian and Fedora have just fine package managers. What they can't do is boot from a ZFS file system. I am implying Solaris and FreeBSD (the other OSs that boot from ZFS, AFAIK) don't have a sane packaging system.
I am curious what you find wrong with FreeBSD's package management, or is it in reference to packages and does not include ports?
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#34Perhaps this is a inane question, but why should we care about Solaris? What does it bring to the table over BSD or Linux? If it died tomorrow would your shop close up and everyone go home? I know some of its features (DTrace and ZFS) are quite impressive but they are not really deal breakers. A kernel is great but it doesn't do much on its own. You still need applications and drivers to have a complete system.
> why should we care about Solaris? It's the only OS that can boot from a ZFS volume and that also has a sane package management system.
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Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#35hg clone http://hg.illumos.org/illumos/
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Will 99% of osol developers stay with Oracle for long? Sun looked like the ultimate geek-cool environment to work. Oracle is pretty much the ultimate uncool company to work for as a developer.
People who quit Oracle are going to work for other proprietary software companies where they'll be working on something other than Solaris. I don't see any business model to pay people to work on an OpenSolaris fork.
Quite a few financial companies have mission critical apps running on solaris. If a large bunch of developers emerges who carry the solaris torch forward I think funding will not be a problem.
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#37hg clone http://hg.illumos.org/illumos/
Looks like they're replacing the proprietary Sun libc with one from Nexenta / FreeBSD.
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
People who quit Oracle are going to work for other proprietary software companies where they'll be working on something other than Solaris. I don't see any business model to pay people to work on an OpenSolaris fork.
Quite a few financial companies have mission critical apps running on solaris. If a large bunch of developers emerges who carry the solaris torch forward I think funding will not be a problem.
The CDDL may be a problem for a new Red Hat or Canonical that decide to take OpenSolaris/Illumos forward.
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#39Perhaps this is a inane question, but why should we care about Solaris? What does it bring to the table over BSD or Linux? If it died tomorrow would your shop close up and everyone go home? I know some of its features (DTrace and ZFS) are quite impressive but they are not really deal breakers. A kernel is great but it doesn't do much on its own. You still need applications and drivers to have a complete system.
Why should we care about Linux when we have BSD, and vice versa? Competition and versatility of course, they encourage invention - Sun developed NIS, NIS+, NFS, VFS, ZFS and a bunch of other things in the UNIX world.
Re: OpenSolaris fork imminent?
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've modded you back up as I have the same question, albeit I think some explanation would help: FreeBSD has the good bits of the Solaris kernel - ZFS and DTrace - and the common Solaris 10 userspace - toolchain, packaging, etc. - aren't particularly up to date.
Add to this an idiotic attempt to replace SystemV startup scripts with some insanely non-obvious java-based (of course!) crap, badly ported in a great hurry outdated 32-bit userland (when at the same time x86_64 version of Fedora or FreeBSD-ports were several years old), some in-house designed and quite alien packaging system (pkg) and so on. It is dead. As dead as Irix or Tru64 or even OpenVMS.
> some in-house designed and quite alien packaging system
Looks a lot like apt