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Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by dsnuh »

astura wrote: post #144
dsnuh wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't intending to be patronizing, but I can take that as a fair criticism. I have indeed experienced it up close and personal. My experience is that there is no magical "shaving X number of years off the end of your life". It doesn't work like that, unfortunately. Come talk to me in 40 years when your daughter is due with her first child in a month and you don't want to live to see that. Maybe we have too differe…

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry that you started an incredibly patronizing post off with "I wasn't intending to be patronizing."

If you have a specific suggestion for an edit, let me know. I already posted many times that I was emotionally responding and I should have come at it differently. I don't want the way I presented myself to discount my opinion.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by dsnuh »

astura wrote: post #145
dsnuh wrote: post #109

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I hear you on that. I guess for me, when I look back and am honest with myself, what I thought was joyous excess at the time was really me being in a dark spot and excusing many of my behaviors because alcohol. When I think back on things I have done that I feel twinges of regret about or that were blatantly disgusting in hindsight, probably 80% of the time liquor was involved in some fashion.

So why are you projecting that onto other people?

Why are you so adamant to argue with me? I'm not projecting. I am talking about my thoughts on a subject I am experienced with.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by dsnuh »

astura wrote: post #143
dsnuh wrote: post #95

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How old are you? I'm just a touch over 40 and even at this age the poignancy of life really starts to reveal itself to you. You would trade 5 years of your life for being able to drink wine? Because it's that delicious, right? Sorry, but this is either hyperbole to the point of silliness or you have no idea the value of your life.

Oh, so you're lifestyle is perfect then? You aren't a single pound overweight, you wear sunscreen every day, never miss a workout, you never stay up late or sleep in, and your diet is 100% perfect? Because if it's not then I guess you don't know how to value your life either.

You really aren't adding anything to this discussion.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by dsnuh »

StavrosK wrote: post #80
dr_ wrote: post #64

The N.Y. Times once reported on the lifespans of the people of Ikaria, who apparently have the longest recorded lifespans, as a group, in the world. Their diet includes moderate amounts of wine. “Wine — in moderation — had been shown to be good for you if consumed as part of a Mediterranean diet, because it prompts the body to absorb more flavonoids, a type of antioxidant” Not a medical research study, but I wonder h…

Are we sure the lifespan thing isn't just a statistical quirk? If you take a thousand small places, one is bound to have the longest-living people in the world.

OT: @StavrosK did you use to frequent metafilter?

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by dsnuh »

astura wrote: post #146
freeflight wrote: post #134

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That illegal drug consumption is far more prevalent than many people would assume. That's why it's dishonest to make comparisons along the lines of "If all the people drinking alcohol would instead be taking cocaine/heroine the situation would be worse" because nobody can say with any certainty how many of these people drinking are already also regular users of illegal drugs. It also doesn't say anything about respon…

Nobody has that misconception.

Why are you being such a dick? Looking through your comment history and it seems like a pattern.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by gozur88 »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #105
gozur88 wrote: post #56

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There's no evidence any of this actually works, and most people aren't interested in a government that tries to dictate what they should eat.

Perhaps. But the irony of this statement is the gov's food pyramid is a direct contributor to the current obesity epidemic. It's too heavy on carbs, and too light on fats.

That's true.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by robotresearcher »

dsnuh wrote: post #119
robotresearcher wrote: post #111

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Schedule 1 drugs are prohibited. Heroin, MDMA, mescaline, GHB, etc.

Correct. "Schedule 1 (I) drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined by the federal government as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule 1 (I) drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence." Which part do you disagree with?

You said you don’t want to prohibit alcohol, but class it schedule 1. That’s a prohibition.

Ah, but reading more carefully you’d prefer to remove everything from the schedule. Now I see it’s not inconsistent. Took me a few reads to get there.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by dsnuh »

robotresearcher wrote: post #157
dsnuh wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. "Schedule 1 (I) drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined by the federal government as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule 1 (I) drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence." Which part do you disagree with?

You said you don’t want to prohibit alcohol, but class it schedule 1. That’s a prohibition. Ah, but reading more carefully you’d prefer to remove everything from the schedule. Now I see it’s not inconsistent. Took me a few reads to get there.

Yeah, I could have worded that better.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by gruez »

dsnuh wrote: post #96
ranit wrote: post #93

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GP already listed it as a separate entity: ..., unfermented wine, dealcoholized wine, grape juice, ... so, it is not. >> ... wondering something else is added to grapes to make it pre-wine? I am really asking, because I don't know, and like you, would like to find out: what is this process that would "unferment" wine. If GP is not just trowing words around he/she should know.

Perhaps GP meant grapes that hashed been mashed and are in a tank, but not yet to the point of fermentation (be it by introduction of wild yeast or human intervention)? I.e. the "must". A quick search shows it is derived from there being 2 types referenced in The Bible.

>Perhaps GP meant grapes that hashed been mashed and are in a tank, but not yet to the point of fermentation

correct. logic here being there might be a difference between grape juice and what they use to make wine. also, there might be nutritional benefits from letting the pulp sit in the juice for a while (maybe more nutrients leeches out?).

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Post by Shorel »

ivm wrote: post #116
Shorel wrote: post #115

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> Alcohol is shilled so hard in America. It's disgusting. I honestly don't know why it isn't more strictly regulated. Total drunk behaviour or total abstention are both extreme and symptoms of other, deeper issues. Alcohol can amplify existing issues, but there's also plenty of people who drink moderately, in family settings, without getting wasted or violent.

So you are saying that I have issues because I don't like to use a popular drug?

Of course not. If you don't like it, you don't like it. I dislike 99.9% of all drinks myself, including the distilled ones if they are not mixed with something.

But if you like it, and you taste a drop and can't control yourself, then yes, that would mean you have issues. And most importantly, that would mean the society around you, and their lack of a good support net, healthy extended family and so on, also has issues.

Why? Because I think when people live in a good non-toxic community most of the issues with abuse stop happening, and living in a toxic community is a factor for abuse, and it is a bigger factor than the access to the drugs themselves.

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