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Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I had a similar situation with a development system. It was fairly expensive and was popular. When I ordered it from the vendor, in the middle of the order their server crashed. It came up about an hour later and I found my transaction sitting there in my shopping cart incomplete, so I went ahead and paid for it. Then two weeks later it showed up at my door and I was happy. Then the next day another one showed up with the exact same transaction id.

I called the company and informed them, they offered a refund if I returned it. But I had only the one charge on my CC. Clearly they didn't have a path through their ordering systems that understood 'data corruption' as their root cause. The rep said just to keep it and if the CC got charged we could process a refund then.

Nothing for 3 months and then a collection notice from a debt collector saying I hadn't paid for the development system. I sent back all my documentation, the receipt, the cc statement etc. And explained to them what had happened, but they said they didn't care. I had proved to them that I had satisfied the debt and they marked it 'retired'.

I've still got it, in a box unopened. Sad really.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. There seems to be a set of standardised industry practices that are completely and utterly customer hostile. The moment regular company employees stop dealing with customer issues, delivery, etc., and hands it over to "specialists", it's basically a crap shoot whether you can get any issue resolved at all, becau…

having worked for many large companies in call centers I'll tell you why this happens,

In the call center, when you call in, our number one goal is to get you off the phone ASAP. Every major corp I've worked for never had a way to tell the status of the delivery via their in house software. In times like this we check the notes to see when the last time you called and just keep telling you to wait longer, say "it's sent" even though we have no way of knowing this, we are told flatout to lie.

The major reason is that delivery is outsourced to another company, who then themselves outsources it again to other drivers who will work for the least amount of money possible. So there is no direct way of contacting them or even knowing which sub company is doing the delivery.

All the managers are concerned about is you taking the next call. I have gotten in trouble multiple times for going out of my way to make sure the customer got everything completed properly. Soon as the customer hangs up your headset automatically takes another call, so you don't have time to fill out extra paper work to get what the customer actually needs completed cause you are told to do that "On your own time" and since you get paid minimum wage you don't give a shit if things get done or not due to the poisoned environment.

Now say a real incident happens where you must call the delivery driver, it CAN be done, just that they never tell the employees that because it takes "too long". Basically you call the 3rd party delivery company and tell them what's up and then it's their job to relay the message (if they even know who is doing the delivery!) So only under special circumstances can that be done.

No one cares about wasted effort or customer satisfaction, as long the hold times are low and they can employ the minimal amount of workers then they are doing there jobs...

Another thing, when you cancel your account and the company owes you money, you tell the customer 6-8 weeks to receive the refund. Now if the customer gets really angry and makes a big deal about it, then there is a little button we click on the screen that mails out the refund to the customer the next day! So why do they do that? because of all the interest they make with your money sitting longer in their bank account. This company had 3 internal accounts that had ~2 Million dollars in each of them, filled with customers money just waiting around to be sent out when the automated timer printed out a batch...

All the corporations I've worked for all operated like this, whether I was paid minimum wage or a decent 20$ an hour. I've only worked at one place where they genuinely cared about the customer, but it was small enough in that you had direct communication to everyone, but that place closed cause customer service costs too much money...

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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Some will point out (and some have!) that I could have quite easily saved myself a lot of time, hassle, and lost earnings at this point by just quietly holding on to the extra Switch and saying nothing to Nintendo about it. It certainly would have saved me a lot of stress, but it was morally not something I’d ever consider. That's his mistake right there. He was under no moral obligation to fix Nintendo's mistake for…

> That's his mistake right there. He was under no moral obligation to fix Nintendo's mistake for them......If you truly have a guilty conscience, then just throw the extra package out, because it is abandoned property. Do you really want to live in a world where everyone does this? Imagine you are a small start-up where every penny counts and make the odd mistake here and there and people take advantage of that, dest…

I've personally been inconvenienced by this abandoned property issue too.

I agree 100% with the "it is their problem let them discover and fix it" resolution.

Received 4+1 devices, contacted seller, shipped back, somehow I ended up paying for their shipping fee. Could have re-contacted them, did not, retained grudge instead.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. There seems to be a set of standardised industry practices that are completely and utterly customer hostile. The moment regular company employees stop dealing with customer issues, delivery, etc., and hands it over to "specialists", it's basically a crap shoot whether you can get any issue resolved at all, becau…

Apple does it great. You get accurate (usually with any errors in favour of pessimism) estimates of lead times and delivery dates, and with AppleCare servicing or replacement of items has always gone super-smooth for me.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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post #124

Some will point out (and some have!) that I could have quite easily saved myself a lot of time, hassle, and lost earnings at this point by just quietly holding on to the extra Switch and saying nothing to Nintendo about it. It certainly would have saved me a lot of stress, but it was morally not something I’d ever consider. That's his mistake right there. He was under no moral obligation to fix Nintendo's mistake for…

> That's his mistake right there. He was under no moral obligation to fix Nintendo's mistake for them......If you truly have a guilty conscience, then just throw the extra package out, because it is abandoned property. Do you really want to live in a world where everyone does this? Imagine you are a small start-up where every penny counts and make the odd mistake here and there and people take advantage of that, dest…

You should also consider the time it would take the company to correct the mistake and whether it's actually worth their time to do so. I'm reminded of this [1] answer on Stack Exchange that sometimes going through customer support costs a company more than they get back from the resolution.

[1] https://travel.stackexchange.com/a/104307

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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post #243

I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. There seems to be a set of standardised industry practices that are completely and utterly customer hostile. The moment regular company employees stop dealing with customer issues, delivery, etc., and hands it over to "specialists", it's basically a crap shoot whether you can get any issue resolved at all, becau…

Weirdly I have found Amazons support good right up until I tried to exchange a Kindle Paperwhite. I’ve returned a fair amount of things to amazon. I had previously even received actual incorrect products in the packaging of the product I ordered (someone probably returned them to amazon as a scam) and I was able to return them without question. Easy peasy. When I tried to return a Kindle Paperwhite that froze up ever…

What is happening is that they are telling you to restart it and to call back later because that's there main goal, to get you off the phone asap in any way possible. Most of the time you get the "authorization" when the call center is not as busy and the rep is allowed to take time (with you on hold) to fill out the return info and follow through with what they should have done during the first call.

I wouldn't get angry at the rep, it's the managers that pressure this kind of behavior in full force, if it's busy and you are on the phone for more then 4 mins, a manger comes over and stands behind you and tells you what to say to end the call even if it doesn't make sense and guaranties the customer has to call back...

To get the best level of service you have to call when it's not so busy. Never call on a Monday or early in the morning, that's when it's the most busy. Slow times are Wed-Fri 1:30pm to about 6pm then anytime after 10pm. Sundays are a good bet if the place is open, although usually most of the reps that work on the weekend are new/less skilled hence prone to make more mistakes.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. There seems to be a set of standardised industry practices that are completely and utterly customer hostile. The moment regular company employees stop dealing with customer issues, delivery, etc., and hands it over to "specialists", it's basically a crap shoot whether you can get any issue resolved at all, becau…

Apple and Amazon have been the exceptions for me.

My mom ordered something for me off Amazon, but typed in the wrong address. I walked to that address and they denied receiving any packages. From their support page, they'll call you and you'll be speaking to someone within 20seconds. They sent a replacement without question and without charging (the item was less than $50). Other times, with other issues, they'll ship you a replacement and ask you to keep the original.

I bought an Apple laptop recently. It shipped with Sierra, but I wanted to start with a clean install of High Sierra. After installing stuff I had a suspicion something wasn't compatible with High Sierra and wanted to downgrade. Frustratingly, they removed the download in the App Store. The first person I talked to on the phone walked me through an Internet Recovery--and knew the difference between installing from the Recovery Partition (which is the OS installed, High Sierra) and Internet Recovery (which installs the OS the hardware shipped with, Sierra). That, and the ability to talk me through a series of screens (including partitioning) over the phone is no easy task. The same person called me back 2 hours later to confirm everything finished installing.

I think for most other larger companies, support is a huge expense with little upside. It's cheaper to waste your time then their's. The most cost effective thing to do is hire a small number of very polite people and give them the power to do nothing.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well Apple

Much as I like Apple I'm not sure they handle the situation described better than any competitor: > "A courier claims they called at your house and got no answer, even though you were in and they didn't. You call customer services, but they have no way at all to contact the courier and tell them to go back and try again. Even if they're only two minutes down the road. The system deliberately puts a firewall between t…

I think any large company works and coordinates with another large company if it's advantageous to them. Amazon works closely with USPS to drop items as close and convenient for USPS. Netflix famously worked with USPS on their DVD envelope design and I believe they even upgraded many USPS sorting machines because it was in their business interest.

I would believe Apple does the same (there's a sibling thread where UPS said they'd swing back by their house in 15m after missing a delivery of an Apple product--may be a coincidence, though).

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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How embarrassing (for Nintendo). As soon as someone threatens legal you just have to tell them you'll only be engaging via lawyers and you'll be seeking to recover your legal expenses from them once the situation is resolved.

Would it be a better alternative to threaten to take it to Twitter or to specialized press? I've never done it, but I observed that contacting customer service on Twitter is usually very effective.

Very much so, in all the call centers I've worked in there was no "complaints department" we are just told to listen to the customer, relate with their concerns and tell them it will be "reviewed" by another department. In reality, it goes absolutely no where. Even if I 100% agreed with your complaint, I have no place to record it or know who it's supposed to go to to get further up the ladder. Some managers will accept your complaint, put it on their desk, then throw it out. If you been employed long enough the managers wont even accept it, cause honestly I don't think they have anyone to pass it up the chain to that would actually accept it.

Best way to go is social media, companies have "Social Media Experts" that are employed solely for online damage control.

Another way to get something done is by sending a plain snail mail letter addressed to someone high-up at the company in question. You have to figure that out yourself as if you call the call center, the reps are never allowed to give out that information or they are told to tell you a fake address/fake person or the general C/O Complaints Department. Those go to no one at all and directly to the garbage.

Now if you successfully send a written complaint letter to someone high up, everyone knows about it, cause the internal police come to investigate if anyone at the call center gave out that information (It's a huge deal and grounds to be fired).

Another thing, youtube clips, if you are recording and posting on youtube your conversation with a rep, the company has a team to watch for that stuff. Once they find you doing that, you then become a "Flagged Customer" and we prepare while we leave you on hold, get one of the better reps available and have 2-3 other managers listening in on the line guiding the rep through the call step by step.

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