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Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

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Re: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

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post #694

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> they're choosing to lash out in the same way Franco would have. sigh... Again asking for the blood bath? What really Franco would have done? Well, Franco would have killed hundred-thousands of people. Again. How many Catalonian independentists has been killed by the current spanish government since october? ZE-RO?. Wake-up. Zero is not equal to thousands. Talk seriously or don't talk but please, stop with all this…

Sorry, you seem to have taken my words the wrong way. The overall reaction of "we're going to assume direct control and remove your governmental power" is one of lashing out and entitlement, and an attitude that doesn't work as evidenced by the comment I was responding to concerning the methods other countries have chosen. I meant that this reaction is in a Franco-like, dictatorial direction, not that their reaction…

This is probably because Spain is a sovereign state, and therefore is a different juridical entity.

Spain is not UK. Both situations aren't neither correlated nor comparable. In the same way that Londoners can't play with firearms in their backyards arguing than people in Texas can explode things all the time; Catalonians shouldn't enjoy the same level of independence than X merely by the argument than X exists somewhere.

The truth is that Catalonia would strongly reject a referendum to achieve the current Scotland status. They enjoy currently much more privileges and freedom to manage their resources at will, than scots can dream.

Re: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

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post #670

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Was this David Rowlands, one of seven Ukip MPs in the Welsh National Assembly? Who, specifically, did he ask to pay for the road?

It was. The BBC reports he wanted to explore the “Trans-European highways fund” to pay through the Republic of Ireland.

I did a bit of looking, and it looks like that fund is also used for projects in non-EU member states. Further, if the UK has been paying into the fund, directly or indirectly, it would make sense for them to explore ways to get funding for their own projects before or even immediately after withdrawing from the EU, especially considering that the fund is already used in non-member states.

Re: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

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post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was. The BBC reports he wanted to explore the “Trans-European highways fund” to pay through the Republic of Ireland.

I did a bit of looking, and it looks like that fund is also used for projects in non-EU member states. Further, if the UK has been paying into the fund, directly or indirectly, it would make sense for them to explore ways to get funding for their own projects before or even immediately after withdrawing from the EU, especially considering that the fund is already used in non-member states.

Hm, interesting.

I still doubt that fund would pay up, as my gut feeling says that in the event of UK leaving the customs union (current stated goal), then it would make more sense to divert shipping around the UK rather than use the UK as a bridge between two shipping ports for faster RoI-Continent transit.

But that’s just speculation on my part, I don’t know the rules by which it operates.

Re: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

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post #730

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On tangential note, California should secede from US.

And assuming it happened, how would California protect its borders from its neighbor US? No, that way lies madness.

California needn't have heavy border patrol if US-California relations are peaceful. For reference: see European borders. You can just walk over to another country most of the time.

Re: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

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On tangential note, California should secede from US.

Trump would impose a tariff on all goods coming in. And I would hope th Us govt would shut down all military and US govt aid and jobs in California if so, regardless of political party

Tariffs would hurt US more than it would California. Tariff is a cost paid by US citizens to benefit non-competitive US suppliers.
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