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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by mark-r »

hkmurakami wrote: post #132
smsm42 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

I would go even further to say that the best US students are often "better" than the best international counterparts, because the US runs a primary and secondary education system with a philosophy to grow the standout students as much as possible. The best high schools encourage their top students to really dive deep into their subject of interest, rather than focus on improving the performance of laggards or general…

I don't know how you reach that conclusion. The rise of standardized testing and "no child left behind" means that school's energies are focused on making sure every student passes the tests. Schools that don't measure up get their funding cut.

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Post by sctb »

damnyou wrote: post #234
andonisus wrote: post #179

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Because we would like our country to prefer our own citizens for such jobs, when possible.

"Because we would like our race to prefer its own members for such jobs, when possible."

This is trolling. Don't do this here, and please comment civilly and substantively instead.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by jquery »

zeusk wrote: post #210
bischofs wrote: post #96

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That is a good point, however most of the immigrants in the 1920s were from europe. Now that is not the case, they are mostly from asia and southeast asia. There is an argument that there is enough of a cultural difference for it to affect the country one way or another.

The natives of US were pillaged by the European immigrants who arrived way prior to 1920s. Ironical, given Thanksgiving is a few weeks from now.

> natives of US were pillaged by the European immigrants

Is that an argument for or against immigration by people with different cultural values?

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Post by sib »

bbatha wrote: post #265
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

> We take a 23yo Chinese engineering graduate as he's going to begin peak productivity - the USA didn't have to invest in his k-12, scholarship his university, clean the water he drank for 24 years, etc. Instantaneous social profit. That's only the half of it. The US gives out far more F-1 student visas than H-1Bs (roughly 3x). That means that US infrastructure trains the student, but then the US doesn't get to take…

Although, in most cases, the university is using the international students to fund university operations and education (typically without reducing tuition price through financial aid) that brings value to the domestic students...

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Post by pvelagal »

pvelagal wrote: post #270

Here is my take on H1B, which after checking some facts, is the last thing to worry for an average US tech worker, who don't like H1B. ) 65k Visas + 20k (for US educated MS degree holders) = 85k total every year. Lets say each one gets a 130k salary (Senator Chuck Grassley's recommendation) = ~$12 billion ) $12 billion Income. Lets say all these H1Bs send 25% back to their home countries = $3 billion gone out of USA,…

Disclaimer: I am from India, living in USA and i am reporting what i see, which is nothing but the typical effects/consequences of Globalization. Eg. Everything i buy in Target/Walmart, including US designed marvels, like "iphone" is made in China, which means, workers at that skill level in USA would get impacted. Consider the software equivalent use case, which is India. Software that comes out of India will have impact on workers at that skill level.

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Post by abandonliberty »

davidw wrote: post #74
xraystyle wrote: post #30

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The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

The logical remedy would be to eliminate the lock the employer has on these people so that they can get competitive offers and see their salaries bid up to something better.

Compensation for H1Bs includes potential American citizenship. Depending where you're from, this can be worth a lot. Therefore these employees will still accept much lower pay from the employer for similar work

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Post by komali2 »

jordanb wrote: post #109
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

You have a really mercantile view of things: Team Murika is gonna Win the Trade War by signing all the primo players from the other teams! An alternate way to look at this is that the economy and society of the USA is failing its own citizens by either giving them an inadequate education or not providing them opportunities to succeed. And your proposal is to simply write everyone who's already here off, declare them…

>economy and society of the USA is failing its own citizens

Yes, and I have completely lost faith in the US's ability, on a federal level, to staunch that failure, as long as the Republican party continues to exist.

>write off everyone who's already here

I agree that I'm being pessimistic, but I feel that's what the government is aggressively trying to do (by, for example, putting a person hostile to education in charge of the agency that runs education at a federal level).

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Post by komali2 »

learc83 wrote: post #106
TylerE wrote: post #85

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As with many things in the US, the top end is truly elite, for the small minority that can be accepted/afford it. But the average is mediocre at best.

>But the average is mediocre at best. This just isn't true at all. Average state schools that are affordable to the vast majority of students through income based student loan repayments are far better than mediocre. The US has 1/3 of the top 500 ranked colleges in the world, and nearly 1/4 of the top 5000 . http://www.webometrics.info/en/node/54 There's a reason that international students flock to even low ranked s…

This is my entire point - our schools are filling up with non-American students.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by jstewartmobile »

Another field report:

Our town has a state university and a modest tech employment market. Every H-1B holder I've met a) went to the local university, b) works at a hospital or law office, c) writes CRUD apps in Java or C#.

They're good dudes, but hard to imagine that any of them are the kind of alpha-double-plus-good talent that couldn't be locally sourced.

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Post by smsm42 »

screye wrote: post #284
pfarnsworth wrote: post #248

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This is definitely not the case for public schools in CA, for the most part. That's why I'm basically forced to sending my children to private schools at considerable cost ($30k/yr/child).

Wait ! Private schools in the US cost $30k a year ?! I am assuming you are talking about K12 education. That is pretty absurd.

Public schools also cost about $20k/year/pupil (I wrote $30 before but looks like I was mistaken). But this is paid from general budget so nobody cares too much, because tax money obviously aren't real money.
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