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LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Trump got several billion dollars in free coverage. No one would care about Trump if he was not Trump.

Does it even matter, with respect to the problems with our plutocracy? Every election the same plutocrats win no matter what, for example: https://theintercept.com/2016/12/09/trump-makes-america-gold...

Why shouldn't it anger a lot of people? Why can't we preserve America for Americans?

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #66

This is similar to the tactic used by Harvey Weinstein to discourage newspapers from reporting on rape allegations against him. Journalists that participated in the cover-up got access to his film premieres, parties at award ceremonies, interviews with celebrities and so on. Turns out that was enough to get every entertainment journalist to cover up his crimes for years. Apparently people in Hollywood don't see any p…

> Apparently people in Hollywood don't see any problem with this! I suspect the bigger problem is that there are so few honest people involved in the business that you would have to shut down if you broke off association with everybody doing shady things in Hollywood. While I'm pleased to see Weinstein going down, I keep scratching my head about "We know that there are people in Hollywood doing far worse things. Why…

I wonder if the child sex abuse problem in hollywood will ever be blown wide open like this current scandal was. I imagine it is comparably widespread and it's a /much/ greater threat to the reputations of those involved, so really any measures to keep it covered up would seem justifiable those on the inside.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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So let's assume the people who run Anaheim are not idiots. My question would be did they run the cost analysis of these tax breaks for Disney versus the expected boon to the city from other incomes? If the income from externalities is greater than the actual income would have been from Disney, it seems like it would have been a decent decision. This is of course ignoring political principles of fair taxation.

If it's anything like cities near me, the problem is that the elected officials have concentrated their concerns on one area of the city, and neglected other areas. Disney tax breaks are probably great for Disney and the immediate area, but Anaheim has a lot of area outside the immediate area of Disneyland.

In the Bay Area, see how San Jose officials spends so much focus on the downtown, but the city is very spread out, and many residents have no connection to downtown.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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$2B in free media attention helped a bit, I'd imagine. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-t...

Was Clinton blocked from social media? She could have polluted Twitter and the news with sound bites that forced analysis and coverage of her, which is what Trump did. He played the media and Twitter and got free advertising. She had as much accessibility but didn't use it to her advantage and thus ended up losing.

Nah. She hired the smartest people in a room, the ones that laughted at Trumps digital operation. There was an article in 2016 that compared Clinton's Silicone Valley staffed machine with a pile of Macbook carrying geeks, big data, mobile developers vs. that sleepy dude in a corner. A few google queries can't seem to find it but i will dig it out later. It was that priceless.

The SV circle jerk worked about as well as expected.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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This is a funny joke, but empirically not true as of this last election. Hillary massively out spent Trump.

Only in official spending. Third parties aren't counted so it's a mostly meaningless measure. All it means is Hillary was worse at hiding the contributions to her campaign.

I'm sure it was a calculated decision rather than incompetence. She would have been burned at the stake long ago if she did anything not entirely above board.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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I think municipalities should be free to make the best deal they can with large employers like this. Chips fall where they may. They are all elected officials so therefore directly accountable. Seems like the system is working just fine here. Doesn't seem like this is anyone else's business.

>They are all elected officials so therefore directly accountable. Seems like the system is working just fine here.

Did you actually read the LA Times article? Be honest. This post really makes it sound like you did not.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #8

Classic Streisand effect. I wouldn't have heard of this had Disney not tried to "punish" the person who brought it to light.

Many times people don't have the "star power" to meet the threshold for the Streisand effect inflect.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #37

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Does that count the amount of free press Trump received during the campaign?

Natural disasters also get a lot of free press, if the ratings are high enough.

Natural disasters rely exclusively on word-of-mouth advertising. Political campaigns? not so much.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

You are correct. This information would be useful, but surely we can't limit it to just one other country and one campaign?

Unless you have some amazing new information, one country and one campaign is about as bold as it seems reasonable to be.
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