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LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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I think municipalities should be free to make the best deal they can with large employers like this. Chips fall where they may. They are all elected officials so therefore directly accountable. Seems like the system is working just fine here. Doesn't seem like this is anyone else's business.

Are you paid for this opinion? I have to imagine yes.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Curious how much headwind this will generate. Other critics and award groups already boycotting Disney screenings in solidarity: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/journalists-boycott-di... https://www.thewrap.com/critics-denounce-disney-blackout-la-...

Below I've linked a few more. It's a bit of a prisoner's dilemma: whichever media outlets don't participate in the boycott will have a competitive advantage when they put out early reviews, but it hurts all outlets if Disney is able to pull off the intimidation power play.

http://flavorwire.com/611229/an-editorial-note-re-disney-and...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2017/11/06/w...

https://www.avclub.com/the-a-v-club-will-no-longer-attend-di...

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Let's just start selling the role outright. It would be more efficient, most likely lead to the same result, and avoiding the grating, bullshit horserace coverage for a year would make everyone's live better.

This is a funny joke, but empirically not true as of this last election. Hillary massively out spent Trump.

Trump had a real genius for getting free media attention (in return for giving the media good numbers of viewers with his antics).

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #24

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Trump got several billion dollars in free coverage. No one would care about Trump if he was not Trump.

You are correct. He didn't spend a single dollar on television (or radio) advertising ( http://fortune.com/2016/08/09/donald-trump-tv-ads-clinton/ ). He relied on tweets, controversial statements, and third parties for all of his advertising. This was mentioned several times by at least NPR near the end of the 2016 campaign cycle, as I recall.

> He didn't spend a single dollar on television (or radio) advertising

Before that August. He started spending after that.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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These stories of malfeasance by elected officials, where the representatives act so clearly against their office and the public good, present a conundrum. The campaign contributions even at a national level simply aren’t enough money to incentivize the given level of corruption. I really want to know: what are the incentives? Are there secret payments? I remember Alaska Senator Ted Stevens was convicted for receiving…

Jobs after you're done in office?

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a funny joke, but empirically not true as of this last election. Hillary massively out spent Trump.

Trump got several billion dollars in free coverage. No one would care about Trump if he was not Trump.

Does it even matter, with respect to the problems with our plutocracy? Every election the same plutocrats win no matter what, for example: https://theintercept.com/2016/12/09/trump-makes-america-gold...

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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>Most money offered gets to be president. Didn't seem to work very well for Hillary... (I know this sounds like a cheap shot, but it completely breaks down your argument)

$2B in free media attention helped a bit, I'd imagine. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-t...

Was Clinton blocked from social media?

She could have polluted Twitter and the news with sound bites that forced analysis and coverage of her, which is what Trump did.

He played the media and Twitter and got free advertising. She had as much accessibility but didn't use it to her advantage and thus ended up losing.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #41

I think municipalities should be free to make the best deal they can with large employers like this. Chips fall where they may. They are all elected officials so therefore directly accountable. Seems like the system is working just fine here. Doesn't seem like this is anyone else's business.

Are you paid for this opinion? I have to imagine yes.

Are you serious? Wow

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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>Most money offered gets to be president. Didn't seem to work very well for Hillary... (I know this sounds like a cheap shot, but it completely breaks down your argument)

$2B in free media attention helped a bit, I'd imagine. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-t...

It does. But that free media attention did not come out of Trump's campaign chest. So porfirium's argument stands.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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> Disney CEO Bob Iger is said to have ordered the retaliatory measure against the LA Times, and is also thought to be considering a 2020 presidential bid, which augurs poorly for his approach to the free press. Wow, I hadn't heard this was a possibility until now. I sure am looking forward to seeing which of the many {m/b}illionaires ends up winning the presidency in 2020! How about we just cut out the middlemen and…

> Most money offered gets to be president. But even that doesn't work. In 2016 for the US presidency, Hillary Clinton's campaign had $790M USD versus Donald Trump's $408M USD. She had double the money 'to buy the presidency' and she still lost. https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.
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